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Originally Posted by lemons12

i have seen plenty with H/C bolt ons running high 7s.. that would put them at a high 11.... MUCH farther away than a built turbo motor.. there was also one at the track last night... didnt get to see him run though.. id guess itd be somewhere around mid high 4s... (no im not joking... the parachute etc. kinda gave it away...)

Parachutes do NOT = street car, plus you didn't see him run. He could've ran a 13 for all you know,

Originally Posted by lemons12

no doubt ford was VERY smart in going FI.. im not one of the ls boys that thinks that was "cheating"... cause honestly to me, it has never been an issue.. i have not been threatened by any cobra, and honestly doubt i will ever be..
isnt the cobra R a gutless drag car basically? excuse my ignorance if not.. not too knowledgeable on them. i think there was a TON of weight taken out of them..

They are actually built more for road racing. Not much weight removed, but no AC or radio. 385 HP all natural. And still 20 cubes smaller than an LS.

As far as a Cobra challenging you, you must be in a bad area for them. I personally don't even look twice at or waste my fuel on a GTO. They're just not fast to enough for me to risk jail time embarrasing. In my area and in Fla, I can't think of a single Cobra that wouldn't destroy a GTO, no matter how modified. The slowest Cobra I can think of around here runs low 11's spinning through the 330'. I would be happy to run a your GTO anytime. I need to get back from Iraq first though.

Originally Posted by lemons12

stock for stock, the cobra definitely has an advantage.. but from my experience.... 2k$ later... the advantage goes to the GTO (ls1 etc)..

i can admit defeat.. i just wont settle for it..

What would 2K buy you for a GTO?
What do you think 2K would buy a Cobra?

Originally Posted by lemons12

that comparison would be endless... reason is what you consider "streetable" or "street driven" me, you, and the owners might totally disagree on... thats an impossible comparison to make..
i DD an ms4 cam with 4k stall 410s exhaust before axle with 1 chambers etc etc etc... most people on this board probably wouldnt stand for that.. i like it, along with PLENTY of people on tech.... but that means nothing..

Agreed on what is a street car and what isn't (IE parachutes).

Originally Posted by lemons12

again, where have i made it look like i hate the cobra... i agree with a lot of things being said.. im just bakcing the ls1 platform, as you guys are the cobra platform.. seems to me though, you guys are being naive about how many cobras out there have horrible times...

Not being naive at all. I agree there are plenty of shitty times on both sides of the conversation. You haven't often seen good times from a Cobra, I have never seen anything impressive from a GTO (aside from the 6.7ish Pro-Stock car that obviously is just a GTO sticker on a fiberglass shell). Cobra's do take a little time to learn how to launch optimally. A good buddy of mine has cut a 1.41 60' on a stock IRS with just upgraded axles. I saw him do that with my own eyes. So the skill of the driver is the uncontestable trump card. (That and traction) I will agree to that absolutely. So a good driver in a GTO > crappy driver in a Cobra (and vice versa) no matter how either car is modded.

Originally Posted by lemons12

do this little test.. go to this sites "drag section" and techs "drag section".... see how many people are saying "why cant i get XXXX times" "should i be going much faster" "450rwhp and 12s" "bolt on ls1 threatening me in my pullied cobra"... there will be MUCH more here... i have been paying attention, and taken part in some of the discussion..

See above comments. You can beat yourself in a drag race if you don't know what your doing. There are also plenty of Eaton cars with a shot of gas running Mid- 10's. It all depends on geography. I hope you don't think I'm trying to be a dick, as that is NOT the case. You, as you stated, are just defending the LS camp, where as I am defending the Ford side. I have driven fine specimens from both camps, and the LS is a great engine series. But Ford regained the streets when they started putting blowers on their cars. Unfortunately for GM, cubes have always been their forte. Boost beats cubes in the aftermarket because it's cheaper to make more. A pulley is cheaper than a stroker and heads. When the Cobra got blown, the LS just wasn't on the same level anymore. The GTO/LS's competition now rests with the 3 valve GT's that are similar in power (with minor bolt-ons), which again, is why I won't even bother with them. That might be the reason you have not been threatened/contested by a Cobra in your area. However, once the modding begins, the guy with the bigger wallet wins everytime.

A short rant:
Also, since it's a big subject of the conversation here...I have driven a STOCK 06 ZO6 and beaten a Viper in a "duel". I feel that the LS7 in the ZO6 is leaps and bounds better than ANY other LS based motor LS9 included. But again for GM, cubes rule. To compare a Cobra to a ZO6 is apples and oranges. A ZO6 is a much better sports car than a Cobra, but for the average Joe, it's unaffordable at almost 100 grand (AFTER MARK-UP). You can make a Cobra beat ZO6's and exotics fairly easily on the street, BUT when you get into serious mods (suspension, engine, power adders) HP per pound and traction will win in every situation.