[lemons12]

Originally Posted by SBo3

What? Neither car is a drag strip warrior, both cars have cases where they've done very well and also very poorly. There are plenty of ported & pullied Cobras that are running in the low 11s and 10s, if you look at the bare mods needed to port & pulley a Cobra; a GTO won't touch that performance for the money, at the drag strip, or anywhere else. You have to remember, a Cobra doesn't need headers, expensive ported heads, cam swaps, etc.

If you look at the eaton fast list there are a lot of Cobras running low 11s and 10s with that kinda power. Not saying it's the norm, but the capability is there and has been proven many times.

Here is a ported / pullied Cobra with a small 60shot.

FYI, GTOs had the same MSRP as 03-04 Cobras. The resale on GTOs is just a lot worse because they aren't as desirable. As for fbodies, a lot of us Cobra owners used to own fbodies. I could have made my fbody faster than my Cobra for a lot less money, but performance isn't the only thing you're paying for. My fbody was loud, had a big cam, gear, SRA, it burned oil, the t-tops leaked, etc. My Cobra has cats, is docile as **** with 500rwhp+, (rides like a bone stock car) has an IRS which makes daily driving a lot more pleasurable and yes it was very cheap to mod.

This goes for any car, I think the LS3 Corvette is the best bang for your buck car, not because I can build a 98 fbody for 1/3 as much or a Cobra for 1/2 as much but because it is a superior car that also performs awesome with little invested into it. It's the overall car, because in the end anything can be made fast. You can build an old 5.0 notchback for way under $15,000 and drag an LS1 up and down the dragstrip, does that make it a superior car?

I've seen it both ways, the GTO is heavier, can't fit as much tire, has an IRS and a very soft suspension. I've seen h/c/i GTOs run 12.5s@113mph. It's not the powerplant that allows a car to "shine" at a dragstrip, it's the driver and/or how well the car is setup for drag. If you look at hp & torque curves there is not a single factor that a roots / twin screw Cobra lacks to shine at a drag strip.

the sad part is... you just proved my point.. your say ported pullied cobras are running what i run.... guess what im a NA H/C ls1... how impressive is that? not very..
not only did you say that there are some, you say that isnt the norm.. i will run what i ran last night all day long, and faster next trip to the track... and i promise i dont have as much money in my car as you think i do..

it is totally true... if i wanted a quit nice smooth good handling drive sound like a stock0-stockish car, i would have bought a cobra HANDS down.. they really are amazing all around cars, and ALL AROUND they do beat ls1s... but when talking ET (drag racing)... they are at a disadvantage most of the time.. i love my loud obnoxious (still very street friendly) huge stall low geared donkey dick cam'd exhaust before the axle car..

i have raced many fox's at the strip... ranging from "mild to wild"... VERY few beat me.. most are tubbed and gutted full out race cars that were tailored to the track with no license plate... i drive to the track and change tires.. race.. change tires, and drive back home and to work the next day..

and ive seen H/C goats run low 11s.. dont see a point there?
ive seen pullied cobras run low 11s-high 12s... doesnt mean much..

Originally Posted by Jroc

lol. I think y'all are riding those nuts a little hard. Lemon thinks he knows what he's talking about, but I don't think the he's ever even been in a 03/04 Cobra the way he talks about them. He basically calls them slow for their HP, and then when you call him out on it he counters with "well they can be fast, but from my experiance da, da, da." Its pretty funny really. Sure their not the end all to fast cars, or the greatest performance cars ever made, but there's a reason that they've built the rep that they have, and its because their pretty damn good at what they do.

Lets just be honest with ourselves here a Terminator is a better performance car than a GTO. Period, it is, and if you say otherwise your in denial or your ignorant. I've been in both stock, I've been in both mod, I've drive both and honestly Terminator > GTO for performance. So no he's not being fair minded here because if he was he would just man up and admit to that fact. Sure you could do this to the GTO and go beat a Cobra, but stock for stock, mod for mod, dollar for dollar the Cobra is a faster car. You can do this or that to a Cobra and go beat a ZO6, but that doesn't make Cobra's better performance cars than ZO6's. Seriously admit it. I have no problem admitting to certain cars being better than Mustang Cobra's. A base model Vette is no dout a better Performance car than a Terminator, and even though I wouldn't trade my car for one I don't have a problem admitting to that.

so your telling me a member of your own forum is riding my nuts... maybe he is just being a little more open minded and looking at BOTH sides... and actually TRYING to understand and comprehend what im saying, instead of just reading and retaliating ASAP..

never been in a cobra...
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/member.php?u=76285
ask him if i have been in a cobra.. he is a good buddy... also have been in a full exhaust intake tune ported pullied cobra.. i know what they feel like, and how well they run from a roll.........

i dont basically call the majority of them slow for there hp... i outright said it... and ill say it again... the MAJORITY of the time... they have 450rwhp cobras that are running mid 8s in the 1/8... that my friend, is a huge joke..

they built a HUGE rep for themselves.. ROLL RACING! not dig... how often do you hear someone go "dont race that cobra from a dig, its sick".. you usually dont.. you hear "dont **** with it from a roll"... and they are SICK cars from a roll.. with a FEW far and few in between sick from a dig.

like i have said.. a cobra is LEAPS AND BOUNDS a overall better car than a gto... but at the drag strip, i TOTALLY disagree... and to me, thats all that matters... especially since thats the topic on hand.. is the gto hands down better at the strip... no... but on average... yes..

Originally Posted by Smokin04

Parachutes do NOT = street car, plus you didn't see him run. He could've ran a 13 for all you know,

They are actually built more for road racing. Not much weight removed, but no AC or radio. 385 HP all natural. And still 20 cubes smaller than an LS.

As far as a Cobra challenging you, you must be in a bad area for them. I personally don't even look twice at or waste my fuel on a GTO. They're just not fast to enough for me to risk jail time embarrasing. In my area and in Fla, I can't think of a single Cobra that wouldn't destroy a GTO, no matter how modified. The slowest Cobra I can think of around here runs low 11's spinning through the 330'. I would be happy to run a your GTO anytime. I need to get back from Iraq first though.

What would 2K buy you for a GTO?
What do you think 2K would buy a Cobra?

Not being naive at all. I agree there are plenty of shitty times on both sides of the conversation. You haven't often seen good times from a Cobra, I have never seen anything impressive from a GTO (aside from the 6.7ish Pro-Stock car that obviously is just a GTO sticker on a fiberglass shell). Cobra's do take a little time to learn how to launch optimally. A good buddy of mine has cut a 1.41 60' on a stock IRS with just upgraded axles. I saw him do that with my own eyes. So the skill of the driver is the uncontestable trump card. (That and traction) I will agree to that absolutely. So a good driver in a GTO > crappy driver in a Cobra (and vice versa) no matter how either car is modded.

See above comments. You can beat yourself in a drag race if you don't know what your doing. There are also plenty of Eaton cars with a shot of gas running Mid- 10's. It all depends on geography. I hope you don't think I'm trying to be a dick, as that is NOT the case. You, as you stated, are just defending the LS camp, where as I am defending the Ford side. I have driven fine specimens from both camps, and the LS is a great engine series. But Ford regained the streets when they started putting blowers on their cars. Unfortunately for GM, cubes have always been their forte. Boost beats cubes in the aftermarket because it's cheaper to make more. A pulley is cheaper than a stroker and heads. When the Cobra got blown, the LS just wasn't on the same level anymore. The GTO/LS's competition now rests with the 3 valve GT's that are similar in power (with minor bolt-ons), which again, is why I won't even bother with them. That might be the reason you have not been threatened/contested by a Cobra in your area. However, once the modding begins, the guy with the bigger wallet wins everytime.

A short rant:
Also, since it's a big subject of the conversation here...I have driven a STOCK 06 ZO6 and beaten a Viper in a "duel". I feel that the LS7 in the ZO6 is leaps and bounds better than ANY other LS based motor LS9 included. But again for GM, cubes rule. To compare a Cobra to a ZO6 is apples and oranges. A ZO6 is a much better sports car than a Cobra, but for the average Joe, it's unaffordable at almost 100 grand (AFTER MARK-UP). You can make a Cobra beat ZO6's and exotics fairly easily on the street, BUT when you get into serious mods (suspension, engine, power adders) HP per pound and traction will win in every situation.

you sound so ignorant i dont even know if i should respond.. but for all inquiring minds, i will....

when i talked about the GTO with a parachute, i was making a joke saying all gtos werent slow.. OF COURSE i dont think thats near a street car... omg...
did i personally see it run? no.. but my buddy said it let out at half track cause they couldnt keep it in between the lines and the nose down.. ran like a mid 5@ like 90 or something like that... im going to guess its a LITTLE faster than a 13... wouldnt you.. it was a ****ing pro-mod dude... again i say, some of you in this thread need some experience in drag racing... like ACTUALLY going to the strip and participating..

well, i could honestly care less if cobra owners dont pay attention to GTOs... beings i drive a trans am...
your probably right, it would be a waste for you to run me.. im sure id slaughter you..
when you get back.. but im sure ill never hear of you.. let me know.. we can meet up at the track.. put a few hundred on it... and you will be going back home X amount of money poorer..

2k in a gto...... full bolt ons and a NICE cam only setup... on the juice... *PLENTY* fast enough more mid 10s....

what could 2k get you in a cobra? high 10s... but not on the norm as stated in this thread..
so how much "better" are they at drag racing again?

your proving my whole arguement in this thread in this one single post.......... ON AVERAGE a H/C ls1/gto whatever is going to beat a modified cobra at the track... ON AVERAGE.... thank you for agreeing with EVERYTHING i have been trying to get across to you guys..

again with the attitude of you thinking my car would be a waste of gas money for your car... you would be VERY sour with the outcome.. just because you have seen a few H/C ls1s that dont run as fast as your car, doesnt mean mine wont.. say GTOs are slow all you want.. but be careful bashing someones car that you dont even know.... and yes, i will say 100 X's, that i have FULL confidence that my car will drag yours and probably most peoples in this thread up and down the track..
i have time slips... do you guys?
if so, why dont we stop this bickering REAL fast and post some times up.. that could show a LOT...

Originally Posted by Jroc

Don't give him all this BS praise because you like how he's defending a car that you own, because you are doing that. The guy is as byiast towards his brand as anyone else on here even if he says otherwise.

The Cobra will probably make more power as its designed to handle more boost pressures. If you say with both running equal psi I would say that thats retarded to even think of running low boost in a Terminator, and is just as stupid as building a low compression motor to be efficent N/A.

Heres are even simpler questions. Which is the better performance car?

03/04 Cobra or 05/06 GTO?

Which gives you better performance per dollar spent?

03/04 Cobra or 05/06 GTO?

did you miss how many times i have gave the cobra credit in this thread.. it is BY FAR a more OVER ALL and WELL ROUNDED car than the LS platform....
but when you start breaking it down... it just cant compete in the drag racing department ON AVERAGE!

8psi on a cobra and 8psi on an ls2 gto... the ls2gto will make more power.. and be VERY streetable, and VERY reliable.. its been done OVER AND OVER..

better ALL AROUND?

cobra...

better per dollar ALL AROUND?

cora...

is that what you want to hear, will it make you sleep better? cause its the honest truth...

now going back to the conversation on hand, INSTEAD of you changing it to make the cobra look more superior...

IN DRAG RACING is the cobra better than in 05-06 GTO considering mod for mod and dollar for dollar?

no.. the gto is better in almost all scenarios..