[lemons12]

Hmm, I disagree with that, Most well driven full bolt-on LS1 fbodys are in the 12s@113-115mph. Most full bolt-on Cobras are in the 11s @ 117-123mph. Big difference. I've seen that and the cam only list, it is VERY impressive, but most of it is due to the race-weight. It reminds of the guy running mid-low 11s in his bolt-on N/A Mach1! He gutted his car down and ran very respectable times.

i will say *most bolt on fbodys are in the 12s... but i disagree 100X's that most bolt on cobras are in the 11s... because of shitty drivers, no tires... whatever the case may be... i see too many in the 12s/13s with mods..

there are plenty of cars around though (that when set up properly) are running low-mid 7s (1/8) with a stall, gears, tires, intake... stock manifolds stock internals with 3300+ race weight..

Cool man, then you won't mind me saying I don't think you seem to know much about Cobras and what they can accomplish at the dragstrip, (except for very poor running examples).

no i dont know what the "faster" cobras can run at the track.. but i do know that the majority of the ones on here that i see... and ALL the ones i have seen in person.. run HORRIBLE times for their power levels/mods.. i have never seen one run faster than a 8 at the track.... and cant count how many "why is my car so slow" threads on here...

i can honestly say that i have a very slim idea of what a well built cobra/driven cobra can do at the track.. i do know what the fastest ones run with X mods... but not the majority of just the fast ones..

Most of the times you're showing me of LS1 fbodys I'm aware of! I fully give credit to what fbodys can accomplish, I'm only trying to open your eyes to what Cobras can accomplish with a sticky tire & a good driver as well.

i believe/know that they can be pretty stout when properly setup... but like i am saying (trying to point out).. the majority are slow as balls for what they have.. wether it be tire/driver/car/etc.. i dont know..

Your car runs well, but has nothing to do with GTOs! Read the thread title.

mmmmmm.. yes and know.. i could make a GTO go just as fast, probably faster.. i wouldnt mind an ls2... as long as its an a4..

I agree it can make a huge difference, look at that list of bolt-on LS1s, they are all automatics!

Yes, the video I posted earlier of the ported eaton with a 60 shot, he's also run 10.80s without the nitrous. Stock headers, stock blower, stock IRS, stock 6spd, full weight car, etc..

thanks for that...

You seem to have gotten some excellent deals on used parts. I never figured in misc parts like oil, (lol). I don't know how you found a fast intake for $275, they're easily $700+ new, (FAST INTAKE MANIFOLD LSx 90mm (Modified) - FAST-Intake1 by: FAST - C6), or decent complete nitrous kits for $400.

i got good deals on the parts i did buy used... a lot are brand new though..
i was quoting a price for an ls6... i paid 900$ for my ported FAST 90/90..

bought a used plate kit for 350ish (its been a while cant remember exactly).. this time i bought a fogger kit.. but has some nice extras... think it was like 275...

It is always a plus to be able to do your own work. I quoted prices for what it would take to buy new parts and have them installed. Anyways, the whole debate started because I said compared to doing a pulley swap or taking off the blower to have ported, doing heads/cam/intake/headers is a lot more work and more expensive.

not more work to me.. i wouldnt know where to start on the cobra, i could do a H/C swap in a day..

thanks for being open minded and actually teaching me some stuff while still listening to my points/reasoning.. it is nice to have an intelligent conversation with someone...

Originally Posted by GrabberGT

Well, if we are comparing bang for buck, let's break it down.
03 Cobra:
Cat-back 350
Intake- 150
Midpipe-150
Pulley-350
Tune-350
= $1,350 on a high average. These are more or less new parts. What kind of power level? Around 450 RWHP and around 470 RWTQ on AVERAGE. Just thought I'd point this out.
SB- The pullied Cobra list is old. Musclefan21 broke one of the records with his 11.34 @ 121.93 1.64 60ft in a full weight, pullied onyl cobra.

so 1400.. you can have a cam only setup in an ls1.. dyno numbers dont matter..

and like i have said... depends on what you consider "bang for your buck"... if you consider just dyno numbers bang for your buck.. cobra wins..
if you consider drag times bang for your buck.. the ls1 wins a VAST MAJORITY of the time.. id say 8/10 times..

Originally Posted by olly

EASON of mists and mellow fruitfulness,
Close bosom-friend of the maturing sun:
Conspiring with him how to load and bless
With fruit the vines that round the thatch-eves run;
To bend with apples the mossed cottage-trees,
And fill all fruit with ripeness to the core;
To swell the gourd, and plump the hazel shells
With a sweet kernel; to set budding more,
And still more, later flowers for the bees,
Until they think warm days will never cease,
For Summer has o'er-brimmed their clammy cells.

Who hath not seen thee oft amid thy store?
Sometimes whoever seeks abroad may find
Thee sitting careless on a granary floor,
Thy hair soft-lipped by the winnowing wind;
Or on a half-reaped furrow sound asleep,
Drowsed with the fume of poppies, while thy hook
Spares the next swath and all its twinèd flowers:
And sometimes like a gleaner thou dost keep
Steady thy laden head across a brook;
Or by a cider-press, with patient look,
Thou watchest the last oozings hours by hours.

Where are the songs of Spring? Ay, where are they?
Think not of them, thou hast thy music too,--
While barrèd clouds bloom the soft-dying day,
And touch the stubble-plains with rosy hue;
Then in a wailful choir the small gnats mourn
Among the river sallows borne aloft
Or sinking as the light wind lives or dies;
And full-grown lambs loud bleat from hilly bourn;
Hedge-crickets sing; and now with treble soft
The red-breast whistles from a garden-croft;
And gathering swallows twitter in the skies

so ****ing random..

did anybody read it? was it worth anything...