I feel your pain IUP99snake. But we could have a solution very soon as House of Boost is making a dedicated drive for 4v's that will hopefully eliminate belt slip and alignment issues.
For the comment above dude if your built on the bottom end then you can turn it as hard as you want. If you are on stock rods and pistons you better be careful or the little man inside is going to want out. It's all in the tune on prochargers you can tune them to come in harder at different rpm's as long as you can give it enough fuel you should be alright.
You're right. And since I don't have forged internals, that's the main thing I'm worried about. It's happened before. It'll happen again.
A supercharger system (or a turbo) is just so complex that there are so many things to go wrong. Belt slip, thrown belts, popped off boost tubes, melted pistons, bent rods, bad gas, it's just hard to mash the throttle being 100% confident that nothing will go wrong.
But I'm spending too much time on the cons. The procharger has been excelllent. It has lasted 60,000 miles with no major issues with the blower itself. All the issues I have had are with the car, the setup, the stupidity of a tuner, or my own stupidity.
I've thought about this route with throwing a procharger cause I know a guy who wants my stock eaton setup for his p1sc setup with a 3 core
Intercooler and his '01 cobra intake. Any thoughts about this deal? Yes or hell no?
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I have enjoyed my ProCharger set up on my car for about two years now. I bought this whole kit for $2500 used. One buddy sold me the head unit for $1500 (he upgraded to an F1A) and my other buddy had an old kit lying around with a new ProCharger 3 core intercooler and all piping for $1000 (he went TT). So I was presented with two deals that I could not pass on. I agree with IUP99SNAKE about belts and shimming. Unfortunately like anything else there is a learning curve that will cost a little money out of pocket. I too have gone through some belts but that was because of alignment and shimming issues. Changing out the belt can be a major pain but once you do it like twice your a pro. I travel with all the tools and I keep two spare belts in the trunk. It's like anything else as long as you take care of the blower, check your belts and maintain a good oil level in the blower you will be fine. My next step is to build my bottom end and turn the boost up and really have some fun. I still average 22-25 mpg on the highway and my driveability is awesome! The other set up I would go to would be a TT!
Nice Mach man how much power did Rick get out of your P1
I've thought about this route with throwing a procharger cause I know a guy who wants my stock eaton setup for his p1sc setup with a 3 core
Intercooler and his '01 cobra intake. Any thoughts about this deal? Yes or hell no?
THAT WOULD BE A BIG **** YES FROM ME MAN. That's the route you wanna go, at the end of the day guys you can get better performance out of a P1 than a Ported Eaton. I would go with a Vortech or a Procharger over any blower system today. I would even go as far as saying I would go with the right size Procharger or Vortech over any Turbo setup. I have seen and worked on cars with Prochargers and Vortechs that went faster in the quarter than Turbo cars so that's just my view guys.
Nice Mach man how much power did Rick get out of your P1
Thanks man! 461 rwhp and 462 rwtq on 12 degrees of timing on a nice warm day in SC! Car has excellent driveability and my overall experience with Rick and Linn was great!
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I really thought about cause he has a '03 cobra bottom end with I think Mach 1 heads but I could be mistaken and the '01 intake and @12 #s he said of only made 440, but that's how he got it and he doesn't know how conservative the tune is. That's my only problem. How mich power could I make with that setup on my '03 cobra?
I really thought about cause he has a '03 cobra bottom end with I think Mach 1 heads but I could be mistaken and the '01 intake and @12 #s he said of only made 440, but that's how he got it and he doesn't know how conservative the tune is. That's my only problem. How mich power could I make with that setup on my '03 cobra?
A P1SC with an 03 Cobra is not very impressive. But, you could sell the head unit and upgrade to an F1, then you can make 700+rwhp.
If its coming off a Mach 1 than I dont think its going to work with your 03 Cobra. The reason I say this is because the front timing covers are different. The coolant cross over may be different as well. Hopefully someone with a Procharged 03-04 Cobra will chime in. The 03 Cobra Procharger kit is vastly different than any other Cobra Procharger kit.
Now something I want to know is can you reclock the head unit on the 03-04 Cobra Procharger kit so that you can run a front mount intercooler and blower through set up running into an 01 Cobra intake?
I've thought about this route with throwing a procharger cause I know a guy who wants my stock eaton setup for his p1sc setup with a 3 core
Intercooler and his '01 cobra intake. Any thoughts about this deal? Yes or hell no?
You guys are going to have to swap more then just the intercooler and intake. You'll need to swap the timing cover, coolant crossover, and some other small parts I can't think of right now. The P1 won't really do anything for you IMO, but like what was said, you can sell the head unit or even send it in to upgrade to a D1. If you were local I'd swap my D1 set up with you.
I've had TT's and now an F1A. Both are ridiculously fun on the street, but in terms of drivability, ease of install, room, smooth power band ...F1A hands down.
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A P1SC with an 03 Cobra is not very impressive. But, you could sell the head unit and upgrade to an F1, then you can make 700+rwhp.
If its coming off a Mach 1 than I dont think its going to work with your 03 Cobra. The reason I say this is because the front timing covers are different. The coolant cross over may be different as well. Hopefully someone with a Procharged 03-04 Cobra will chime in. The 03 Cobra Procharger kit is vastly different than any other Cobra Procharger kit.
Now something I want to know is can you reclock the head unit on the 03-04 Cobra Procharger kit so that you can run a front mount intercooler and blower through set up running into an 01 Cobra intake?
I might be able to answer the last part of your question? When I bought my P1SC-2 it came off of a 03 Cobra Motor and it was front mounted. The guy was running a Eaton on top and the ProCharger on the front trying to do the compound boost method. He decided to go another route and sold the blower to me. Because the blower head was clocked in a different position I had to re-position it back to be just like me P1SC to fit my car. So yes it can be done if that was your question?
I wish I had the money to do all 3 and pick what one I liked most overall, haha.
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I might be able to answer the last part of your question? When I bought my P1SC-2 it came off of a 03 Cobra Motor and it was front mounted. The guy was running a Eaton on top and the ProCharger on the front trying to do the compound boost method. He decided to go another route and sold the blower to me. Because the blower head was clocked in a different position I had to re-position it back to be just like me P1SC to fit my car. So yes it can be done if that was your question?
The reason I ask is because the front timing covers are different between the Cobra and Mach for 03-04. I'm not sure if the bracket for the blower is different. But it sounds like you used the same bracket. Has anyone reclocked the blower in order to run a front mount and blow though set up on an 03-04 Cobra?
The reason I ask is because the front timing covers are different between the Cobra and Mach for 03-04. I'm not sure if the bracket for the blower is different. But it sounds like you used the same bracket. Has anyone reclocked the blower in order to run a front mount and blow though set up on an 03-04 Cobra?
Let me see if I can find the pics from when I bought my blower. I believe that guy was running that set up. I'll let you know.
Now something I want to know is can you reclock the head unit on the 03-04 Cobra Procharger kit so that you can run a front mount intercooler and blower through set up running into an 01 Cobra intake?
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97 Cobra, Procharger D1SC, 3-core race intercooler, 42lb injectors, Walbro 255lph fuel pump, Procharger big red race BOV, SCT 2600 MAF, Custom dyno tune, BBK Longtube headers, Bassani offroad x-pipe, Mac mufflers, Steeda Tri-ax shifter, Ford Racing 11" clutch, stock long block. HP: 502 TQ: 448
^^^Thats bad ass! Not really what I was getting at though. I guess I'm not wording my question the right way. If you have a 03 Cobra with the Procharger F1 kit that runs the blower directly into the sheet metal intake, can you, with that same kit and bracket, reclock the blower so that it runs in the same configuration as all the other Cobra setups, to a front mount and then to say an 01 Cobra intake?
^^^Thats bad ass! Not really what I was getting at though. I guess I'm not wording my question the right way. If you have a 03 Cobra with the Procharger F1 kit that runs the blower directly into the sheet metal intake, can you, with that same kit and bracket, reclock the blower so that it runs in the same configuration as all the other Cobra setups, to a front mount and then to say an 01 Cobra intake?
Put your spectacles on brosif!
Pic #1 is just like that with an 01 intake, and front mount, that's a new edge cobra on this site. Also pics 2 and 3 are with a front mount too. It dosen't matter what intake..
The clocking of the blower has nothing to do with where the air goes.. The tubing does. It seems more convenient to me to have the the blower already on the driver side so you're tubing doesn't have to snake over there and then around the damn rad. The whole thing is a pain in the ass.
And the procharger brackets mount to the bearing case of the blower, not the volute. The volute is held on by some clamps fastened with allen bolts. You can clock it however the hell you want. You could send it straight out the hood if you so pleased.
Here is a 97 with a front mount.. I was looking to buy all this guys stuff and put it on my car. The D1 isn't enough for me.
The Idea I have is to buy a used 03 engine instead of rebuilding my short block. That way I would get better cylinder heads, use my existing cams and part out the rest of my engine and recoupe some of my $$$. Now in all the pictures you posted they are cog setups. Not something I would want in a daily driver. And my plans for my Cobra is to DD the car. I would like to run an 8 rib set up. So if I had an 03 engine, with the 03 timing cover, is there anything really preventing me from running the traditional 03 Cobra Procharger F1A set up similar to that of the 97 Cobra Procharger set up? This may seem like a stupid question to some but the timing covers are different from each other. I do not know if anything is in the way of the hot side piping that would prevent such a set up. I dont have much experience with 03 Cobra's so thats why I ask. And to this day I have not seen a picture of someone running an 8 rib with the blower on the PASSENGER side running into a front mount. Sorry its taken this long to fully explain what I'm after.
My buddy is running an 8 rib into a front mount intercooler with his blower on the passenger side. My blower mounts on the passenger side, but I don't have the 8 rib...yet.
So you want to swap the 03 motor into your 97? You do know you'll need to find a 99/01 Cobra or Mach 1 intake right? Why not swap the timing cover from your 97 onto the 03 motor?
^^^The reason is I am likely going to sell my Procharger in order to keep the expense at a minimum. So I will just have the eaton for awhile untill later on when I go to the F1A. But I like the 96-01 Cobra Procharger set up over the 03-04 Cobra set up. So if I do get that kit the question is could I easily modify it in order to run like the 96-01 Cobra kits? I would think it would be easy but I have not seen it done before.
And to the OP sorry I hijacked your thread. Didn't think it was going to turn into such a fiasco.
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