Well I have been debating on what to get for the major power-adder swap for awhile now and its always been between twinscrew or TT's. Never really thought about Procharger.
So I've been looking around and think they are awesome setups. The one I'm looking at is the F-1A kit. I had a friend who had a D1SC on his '99 Cobra then swapped to a TT setup, but that D1 sounded crazy sick.
What I'm asking is if you guy's could fill me on how much you like your setup's and if you would rather have something else? I am also looking for something different than what the majority has lol
Thanks in advance!
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I have a F1A setup and I like it. The sound of the bov alone is pretty sick and it sounds like a jet. The looks on people's faces when I drive by is pretty funny. Boost takes a little while to build up but once it does and you are going about 70mph...bye bye. But its a pretty expensive setup and I would go twin screw if I had the choice.
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I've had a twin turbo setup, built motor, Art Carr 4r70w, etc etc on an 01 and I now have a d1sc, big red race bpv, built motor, T-56, etc etc and I've been REALLY liking this procharger setup, sounds sick, especially with the race bpv and still makes great power... if I didn't run out of fuel pump the other day on the dyno, they said it would've probably hit 560-580rwhp at around 15psi. You have to get the turbo setup JUST RIGHT and don't skimp on the kit that you get so that it is reliable, otherwise, you just end up getting yourself into a mess. If you do go turbo, I would personally recommend not getting low mount turbos because then you have to worry about drain back issues. The less you have to worry about, the better, lol. Just my 2 cents.
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I have the Procharger D-1SC with Big Red Race bypass, paired with a built motor, trans, and full fuel system. Like others said, takes a little bit to get the boost going but once you hit it, it's like preparing for takeoff. Which my car sounds like a jet anyway lol. I love the kit I honestly do, but since my car is a DD it's a little too loud for my liking. But after a long debate on going Twin Screw, I've decided to just keep her the way she is. Future plans see an F-1A in them
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I have the Procharger D-1SC with Big Red Race bypass, paired with a built motor, trans, and full fuel system. Like others said, takes a little bit to get the boost going but once you hit it, it's like preparing for takeoff. Which my car sounds like a jet anyway lol. I love the kit I honestly do, but since my car is a DD it's a little too loud for my liking. But after a long debate on going Twin Screw, I've decided to just keep her the way she is. Future plans see an F-1A in them
Yeah freaker, get the F1A and stop beating around the bush. F1A @ 21psi will give me a great run for my money at 17psi. Plus procharger last longer than turbo's, and the maintenance on procharger are a lot simplier than turbo's.
The main advantage turbo has is using a boost controller to change the boost levels at the turn of a dial opposed to changes belts and requiring tools.
Turbo is very expensive, but the time you get a Turbo Kit, Boost Controller, Fuel System, you at about 10k.
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There is a local guy who has a F1 setup on his '03 Cobra with a built up engine. It is an 800+rwhp street car. When I asked him about the lower rpms he said...
"Yeah I have to catch up with the roots/twin screw guys but once I catch up it's over..."
He has an aluminum block and all kinds of other stuff. That was two years ago when I had a Supra to play with .
Edit: My Roush has a ProCharger and like others said it takes time to build up but once it does HOLD ON!
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with 4.10 gears it doesn't take long to get up there, lol. Almost too quick, thinking of switching to 3.73's so I have a little more time in the gears, but that's later on.
I like my lil P1SC a lot! Like everyone else said, you dont get your power til the upper end but its a lot of fun once you get there! Im still on the stock unforged bottom end so getting my boost higher in the rpm range is less scary for me.
I love my D1SC. The sound is sick and the power is nice. Great thing about daily driving centri cars is that you can stay out of boost really easily by keeping the rpms low, not so much in a PD blower. But with that being said the PD blowers usually make better street cars because the power is felt the instant you push the gas. Just depends on what you want out of your car. I will stay Procharger.
My brother had a F1A installed on his built 3V on 19lbs and I can't say enough about it pulls hard down low and on top end it's got an insane power band I must say and it's only on 19lbs. I have heard nightmare storys about them going to 30 lbs so. Kenne Bells and Whipples are awesome but I think for the more serious racer either Procharger or Vortech for sure.
Is that being sarcastic I can't tell, but if you are and you don't believe me you can go check out some NMRA cars that are pushing them harder than we are for sure.
people are saying that because a roots/screw blower is kickin in at 2k.
at 2000 rpms how the hell would you put it to the ground? Most launch even above that. I looked today and it kicks in at about 3500 and is at full boost just over 4000. It doesn't take long.
at 2000 rpms how the hell would you put it to the ground? Most launch even above that. I looked today and it kicks in at about 3500 and is at full boost just over 4000. It doesn't take long.
What I was trying to say was basically they get really wild at like 25lbs and above the front ends of cars start dancing atleast that what my brothers does.
Overall, I'm happy with my procharger. I originally bought it because it was cheaper than all the other centri kits, not to mention a turbo. Plus, it was the only one at the time that was self contained and came with a big front mount intercooler.
It sounds wild. It's got an "evil mechanical scream" at idle that turns heads. I can't really hear it when I get in the gas because of the sound of the exhaust... but the blowoff sounds good too.
As others mentioned previously in this post, centrifugals make max boost only at max RPM, so you have to be up at 3500-4000 RPM's at least to make enough boost to notice a power increase. In fact, I just took my blower off temporarily to change a pulley, and my car feels exactly the same under 3500, even when I floor it. But I definitely noticed the lack of top end power, being that it makes 150 less horsepower in that top RPM range without the blower.
But even with the blower, I'm always a little afraid to gas it and bring it up past 5000 RPM's or so... Am I going to shred a belt? Am I going to pop off a boost tube? Am I going to melt a piston? Break a half shaft? The power is just so astronomical. It's most useful in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gears when you're making those long pulls in each gear.
I've been having a lot of belt and pulley issues lately though, which is really starting to frustrate me. If not perfectly aligned when mounted, the belt will "skip a rib" on the pulley and since the clearance between the pulley and the engine is so close, it'll shave that rib right off. Time for a new 114.5 inch, 45 dollar belt, which are hard to find. I always always keep a spare. Not to mention that you have to unbolt the blower to change the belt.
I've been having issues with the bolt that holds on the pulley, also. It'll back out of the threads when driving, which allows the keyway that fixes the pulley to the shaft to back out. This will let the pulley "freewheel" on the blower shaft. It doesn't do any damage to the blower shaft, but it destroys the pulley, not to mention I need to get a new bolt and keyway. Fortunately, Procharger sells pulleys that come with a new bolt, washer, and keyway. It's my own damn fault though, I never had an issue with this until I started messing with it and I took off the original pulley it came with. I guess I'll use some loctite and an impact wrench when my $100 pulley set arrives in a few days.
If I had the choice to do it all over again, I'd probably go with a turbo because they make peak boost at a lower RPM and hold it throughout the entire RPM range. Plus, you don't have to worry about stupid belt and pulley issues. But then again, turbo kits are almost twice as expensive as a procharger kit, so it'd be a tough decision. You can't beat the value of a procharger kit when compared to the others.
For the comment above dude if your built on the bottom end then you can turn it as hard as you want. If you are on stock rods and pistons you better be careful or the little man inside is going to want out. It's all in the tune on prochargers you can tune them to come in harder at different rpm's as long as you can give it enough fuel you should be alright.
I have enjoyed my ProCharger set up on my car for about two years now. I bought this whole kit for $2500 used. One buddy sold me the head unit for $1500 (he upgraded to an F1A) and my other buddy had an old kit lying around with a new ProCharger 3 core intercooler and all piping for $1000 (he went TT). So I was presented with two deals that I could not pass on. I agree with IUP99SNAKE about belts and shimming. Unfortunately like anything else there is a learning curve that will cost a little money out of pocket. I too have gone through some belts but that was because of alignment and shimming issues. Changing out the belt can be a major pain but once you do it like twice your a pro. I travel with all the tools and I keep two spare belts in the trunk. It's like anything else as long as you take care of the blower, check your belts and maintain a good oil level in the blower you will be fine. My next step is to build my bottom end and turn the boost up and really have some fun. I still average 22-25 mpg on the highway and my driveability is awesome! The other set up I would go to would be a TT!
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