SO the current set up with the mach is factory block bored.20 over stock crank many rods diamond 15cc pistons/SS rings and arp stud everything also GT cams lt's, pretty much all the supporting mods return style fuel system u name it. So with the 3.4l on it and the 4inch pulley she makes 21#'s i would like to put either the 3.5 inch or 3.25 inch pulley on it, so between 25-28#'s
So heres the real? I have been looking into the snow stage 3 meth kit. the idea would be to run to nozzels in the intake manifold below the intercooler i'm thinking both centered and on either end.(so one fire wall side one pulleys side) Doing this can i safely run 25+#'s of boost with nothing but methanol and 91. basically i want this boost all the time and dont want to change tunes and gas all the time. Just be able to have 700-800hp's on tap at any time. not only that but meth is cheap and it would be alot easier to keep the resivior full then, buying race gas just to piss 5/8ths of it away under normal driving conditions. So i'm just looking for some input on this idea? 2 nozzels good? do i need 4? i just wanna make sure if the meth will work there will be fairly even distribution and no cases of a cylinder not getting the proper amount and detonating. obviously i'm not really worried about power gains from it all though this is a plus, mainly just the octane advantage. all input appreciated thks.
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I don't think I would trust 91 and meth for 25 psi. If you want high boost, why don't you try mixing 91 with e85 to come up with a few extra octane? Or just switch to e85 altogether?
I don't think I would trust 91 and meth for 25 psi. If you want high boost, why don't you try mixing 91 with e85 to come up with a few extra octane? Or just switch to e85 altogether?
I would love to switch to e-85 but the closet e-85 stations are at least an hour away from me. i'm mainly just looking for a way to be able to hop in my car whenever i want drive where ever i want and get on it whenever i want, and it not cost a small fortune in fuel, i was just hoping methanol was the answer,
What about some kind of a direct port methanol injection setup? has this been done?
Or how about 91/w a can of torco in every tank, plus the methanol? i know there is no substitute for straight race gas, which i will have a tune for that when i go to the track for a little more power but i guess i'm just looking for a easy way out..
You could use torco and pump gas along with meth. But torco in every tank would get expensive. Even with the three I would not run 25 psi. I would say 22-23 psi or so.
One thing about the methanol that scares the hell out of me, what would happen if you are running 25psi and its safe with the meth....then the nozzle for the meth clogs or the meth pump fails and you are running on straight pump gas?????
Just my opinion but If your looking to have 800hp, add a small shot of spray and get a spray tune on a flip chip....
One thing about the methanol that scares the hell out of me, what would happen if you are running 25psi and its safe with the meth....then the nozzle for the meth clogs or the meth pump fails and you are running on straight pump gas?????
Just my opinion but If your looking to have 800hp, add a small shot of spray and get a spray tune on a flip chip....
Well as far as the whole what if the meth fails part, they make a module that senses line pressure and iff the pressue varies from a set point up or down, so loss of meth or high pressure from clog, it actually opens a bypass valve and will vent the boost from the manifold.. so that solves that problem, i'm mainly just wanting to know if it can supply enough of a octane boost to run 25-27#'s safely.and if so what ratio 75/25 50/50 25/75. as far as the nitrous i'm not against it but i'd think i'd still need some kinda boost in octane if i were to run say 21#'s and a 100 shot.
So i guess there really isnt that many people running a positive displacement blower with meth. so the next quetion is. if the Centrifugal guys, and turbo guys run meth. does it work for them say like a prochager f1a on 25#'s with pumpgas and meth?
if your running meth for the octane run strait meth.
the issuie with having 2 nozzles in the lower intake is even distribution and your gonna need to find the right size nozles so you dont flood out with methenal.
set up right i think it would be very effictive, and has been very effictive.
if anything, hook it up, see where it gets you and just add a little more timing.
I have the methanol set-up from Snow and I would recommend using 93-octane pump gas with the methanol. I am only using one nozzle and my tuner told me there is a lot more power in it then what I am using. He also told me when I first had the install, not to run on that tune all the time because there is too much timing in the methanol tune (I am using the SCT Computer and it takes less than 2 minutes to change the tune). This really works the engine harder and you don't want to beat up on your engine that way. You really don't need the methanol if you are not competing in drag racing. Methanol does cool the charge and that is a good thing.
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I have the methanol set-up from Snow and I would recommend using 93-octane pump gas with the methanol. I am only using one nozzle and my tuner told me there is a lot more power in it then what I am using. He also told me when I first had the install, not to run on that tune all the time because there is too much timing in the methanol tune (I am using the SCT Computer and it takes less than 2 minutes to change the tune). This really works the engine harder and you don't want to beat up on your engine that way. You really don't need the methanol if you are not competing in drag racing. Methanol does cool the charge and that is a good thing.
Well i'm runnning the x3 with the proracer package, so i can really do just about whatever i want tune wise. i plan on having the methanol onboard ready to go at all times, i'm going to need it even if not competing, but just a quick floor on the on ramp or so with 25-27#'s this is the nice part about the meth it will only spray when at certain amounts of engine load, boost or maf voltage. so i can drive around and it will only spray when needed. i just have to keep the resivior full. I guess when i order the meth kit, i'll just talk to the manufacturer specifically about what i want to do and how many nozzels are needed i had been looking at the snow stage 3 kit due to the dual nozzels it comes with along with the control unit.
we had a guy on the lightning forums that ran meth and a 3.4 whipple. had it in mid to low 9's. it has been used beore, i however dont know the specifics of what he did exactly
well I have an 03 with a 3.4 whipple crusher kit built motor, etc.. I run meth and 93 on my pump gas tune and make over 800 with 25psi but I would put the meth before the tb. When I started thinking about it yr ago I did alot of research so if you have any questions pm me and I will anwser as good as I can threw experiance..
well I have an 03 with a 3.4 whipple crusher kit built motor, etc.. I run meth and 93 on my pump gas tune and make over 800 with 25psi but I would put the meth before the tb. When I started thinking about it yr ago I did alot of research so if you have any questions pm me and I will anwser as good as I can threw experiance..
Well good to see some one doing this. But i thought the meth was hard on the coatings on the rotors, and running it through the intercooler could cause puddling. Which is why i thought to do it with multiple nozzles after the intercooler?
I have spoken with someone with the 3.4 and sprays meth through it. He checked with Whipple and they said its harmless.
I had and F1A with about 20-22 psi and meth. Ran 93 octane all the time and sprayed it with meth and no problems whatsoever. You do not need to add an octane additive, as the meth is the octane additive. Also, the nozzles seldom if ever clog ( they have a built in fine mesh screen), and the pumps are very reliable. Running straight meth is dangerous as if there were ever a fire the meth burns invisible. Cut it with 20% water and you are safe with no degregation to octane enhancement.
I run the meth on mine just for the cooling factor, it's at the regular 50/50 mix and i'm only running 13* timing at the moment but i'm ready to go if I ever wanted more. Also, I don't recall the Snow kit's module bleeding boost when it was out of meth, but I know it pulls timing when it gets low. It's a pretty good kit, nice to have either way.
Meth is no good for roots or twin screw, remember that meth will pass thru the blower, its not good to have that moisture on the inside. Once in a while is fine but they are designed for centri units or turbos.
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My kit is going on next week, I have a single T76 turbo kit, I talked to the owner of the company who builds meth kits, you should use 2 nozzles for anything 650rwhp and up or it's not going to send enough to support your power goals. When my new motor is broken in completely and we are on the dyno I am going to keep adding 2psi per dyno run until the turbo has peaked out, or we see some type of knock with the methanol. If I can make 800rwhp & 800rwtq i'd be happy with my setup. I am currently using the Turbonetic T76 turbo.
Depending if the car stops having issues with it and I can save some green I plan on upgrading to
Precision T76 Billet Turbo, Sullivan Intake, Treadstone Intercooler for even more power. But that much power is USELESS anyway because you really never going to be able to put it to the ground. Will be able to Hang with the High HP Supra's and TT vette's on that highway with that power level.
Anyways here is a graph on my current power level & proposed power level
Based on my Math I seem to make 75RWHP per 4 psi so mathematically I should make
735rwhp @ 22PSI
810rwhp @ 26PSI
885rwhp @ 30PSI & 825RWTQ in Mustang Dyno #'s
955rwhp @ 30PSI & 895RWTQ in Dyno Jet #'s
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My kit is going on next week, I have a single T76 turbo kit, I talked to the owner of the company who builds meth kits, you should use 2 nozzles for anything 650rwhp and up or it's not going to send enough to support your power goals. When my new motor is broken in completely and we are on the dyno I am going to keep adding 2psi per dyno run until the turbo has peaked out, or we see some type of knock with the methanol. If I can make 800rwhp & 800rwtq i'd be happy with my setup. I am currently using the Turbonetic T76 turbo.
Depending if the car stops having issues with it and I can save some green I plan on upgrading to
Precision T76 Billet Turbo, Sullivan Intake, Treadstone Intercooler for even more power. But that much power is USELESS anyway because you really never going to be able to put it to the ground. Will be able to Hang with the High HP Supra's and TT vette's on that highway with that power level.
Anyways here is a graph on my current power level & proposed power level
Based on my Math I seem to make 75RWHP per 4 psi so mathematically I should make
735rwhp @ 22PSI
810rwhp @ 26PSI
885rwhp @ 30PSI & 825RWTQ in Mustang Dyno #'s
955rwhp @ 30PSI & 895RWTQ in Dyno Jet #'s
holy shit thats some power, where do you live in NJ, i live in Hamilton (Mercer County) I need to see this car.
One thing about the methanol that scares the hell out of me, what would happen if you are running 25psi and its safe with the meth....then the nozzle for the meth clogs or the meth pump fails and you are running on straight pump gas?????
Just my opinion but If your looking to have 800hp, add a small shot of spray and get a spray tune on a flip chip....
You could just as easily have a fuel pump, FRPS, or FPDM, or injector driver die under WOT running race gas.
For the kind of boost and power you are wanting, you are better suited with turbo. The problem with running a blower at high PSI like that 24/7 is that to make 800 HP you are really making 1100 HP. To make 800 HP on a turbo you only need to make 800 HP. Oversimplification, but you get the idea. Turbo vs supercharger is a totally different animal when you are talking about high boost, pump gas, and safety.
Many people think turbos are hotter because they are connected to the exhaust system, but in reality blowers get MUCH hotter (efficiency factor).
If you want high boost and big power on pump gas, the only logical answer is more cubes or turbo. You can't just run around town all day with a blower at 25-30 psi.
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