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Old 11-08-2009, 08:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Keep Paxton or go with Turbo

Ok guys I got a Novi 2000 currently, the original plan was to go turbo, as I bought a teksid block and have 03-04 Cobra heads. The plan was to hit around 650 or so. Money is a lil tighter than planned, so I was thinking of going with the House of Boost seperate drive system and boosting the Novi some more and living with that power level untill I become independently wealthy and can go the turbo route.

I also plan on throwing some cams in the heads and changing to a blow through system.
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Old 11-08-2009, 10:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Sounds like a really good idea to me!

Blow through sounds insane with an open bypass
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You can still hit 650 with the Paxton. Do the blow through swap even with the blower.
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Old 11-10-2009, 11:14 AM   #4 (permalink)
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its def getting the blow through regardless

Thanks for the help, I just may be getting things done sooner, will 80lbs injectors be to much? And whats the verdict on the abaco MAFS? I like the look and objective of them.
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Old 11-10-2009, 11:52 AM   #5 (permalink)
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i made 656 on my cobra with a novi 2k, it took 20psi to do so. i had stock heads and stock intake, blower cams. i popped my motor racing my friends rx7 and decided to go turbo.
i made 690 horse on HALF the boost with the turbo.
superchargers/blowers benifit from lots of motor work, if you run a good turbo you dont need a bunch of motor stuff, the turbo makes the power. i say sell the novi 2k, save the money your wanting to spend on the motor build and go with a good turbo set up.
of course then you gotta build a fuel system etc, maybe you should just keep the novi 2k haha
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80lb injectors are good for 1000 horse with the proper fuel.
id say 60's for anything less than 700 horse...
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i miss the old vortech sometimes. Should have stuck with my plans to go Ysi really
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You can still hit 650 with the Paxton. Do the blow through swap even with the blower.
^^^This.

You said you already have the supercharger, just stick with it and you can make your 650hp. No reason at this point to spend anymore since you said your budget is tight and the turbo will end up costing you a decent amount to switch to.

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i miss the old vortech sometimes. Should have stuck with my plans to go Ysi really
You can't even handle your little baby turbo barely making over 500hp. I suggest you stick with the weak setup you currently have and keep internet racing. It's safer and you can never lose.
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You can't even handle your little baby turbo barely making over 500hp. I suggest you stick with the weak setup you currently have and keep internet racing. It's safer and you can never lose.
you are a joke. my setup makes plenty of power for now. gets me to school and back everyday!
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its def getting the blow through regardless

Thanks for the help, I just may be getting things done sooner, will 80lbs injectors be to much? And whats the verdict on the abaco MAFS? I like the look and objective of them.

I'm running 80's on my set up right now. They were easier to tune then my 39's. The Abaco's seem cool, but I think you'd be better off with a slot style.
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you are a joke. my setup makes plenty of power for now. gets me to school and back everyday!
Your car is slow. It might be fast to you since you're used to a heavy s-trim car, or whatever your old setup was, but your car is slow.

I saw countless street cars this past weekend that would rip you a new one, from hondas to supras to mustangs to anything you can think of, and you get on here every day acting like you have some amazing car...you tell me who's the joke.

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Your car is slow. It might be fast to you since you're used to a heavy s-trim car, or whatever your old setup was, but your car is slow.

I saw countless street cars this past weekend that would rip you a new one, from hondas to supras to mustangs to anything you can think of, and you get on here every day acting like you have some amazing car...you tell me who's the joke.
have pulled two different newer r6 bikes, so whatever you think is slow...
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have pulled two different newer r6 bikes, so whatever you think is slow...
That means nothing if the person on the bike doesn't know how to ride it to its potential, champ.

But of course you raced a professional rider who weighs 120 lbs and the R6 was modified and you still pulled 10 bus lengths on it, right?

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That means nothing if the person on the bike doesn't know how to ride it to its potential, champ.

But of course you raced a professional rider who weighs 120 lbs and the R6 was modified and you still pulled 10 bus lengths on it, right?
yea your right...they must have BOTH been bone stock, had 250lb riders, and missed gears. what a coincidence...
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yea your right...they must have BOTH been bone stock, had 250lb riders, and missed gears. what a coincidence...
Considering the majority of squids riding around on bikes, that's highly probable.
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haha thread derailed!
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So you still thinking turbo or this thread just gone at this point ? lol.
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I also plan on throwing some cams in the heads and changing to a blow through system.
Keep the stock cams. Better on a turbo street car anyway. The money you save will almost make up the difference to convert to turbo, once you sell the Novi.


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what is the NOVI worth? Not much I would think, plus Ill have to get a new intercooler cause the paxton style wont work with a turbo, then tack on the tube K, new fuel system so on and so forth, with keeping the blower all I need to do is buy the bracket and do a fuel system. Other than building the motor which will be done for either set up so that doesn't matter.

I dunno still thinking, I wanna get it done now, but if I do the turbo option Ill be waiting a while.

plus later on down the road I can buy a turbo and intercooler and be set, cause everything else will be done at that point.

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have pulled two different newer r6 bikes, so whatever you think is slow...


My Terminator pulled on an R6 when it was bone stock. Your claim holds no validity until you post up some timeslips, or actually race someone and post up a video of a fair race with you consistently pulling on fast cars/bikes.

Of course, given your track record, and this involving you having to actually go out and race...... doubtful anything will ever turn up.
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Sounds like a really good idea to me!

Blow through sounds insane with an open bypass
^^^^^this.

I would keep the Novi and boost to 650. If you are building the engine just make sure you build it for a centri/turbo. Dont go with super low compression. Try to stay around 9.5.1. That will help with low end power and you will make more power per # of boost.

I'm going with the House of Boost dedicated drive when I rebuild, which may be sooner rather than later. The braket looks really stout and if I'm not mistaken EA used this same braket with a F2M and made over 800rwhp with 30+ pounds of boost. Just keep in mind that that braket was designed around a 96-99 timing cover. I don't know how different the timing covvers are as far as the mounting point's but the standard Procharger braket is different between 96-99 Cobra's and 01 Cobra/03-04 Mach 1 brakets. I would call HOB or PM EA about it.

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as stated before i would go turbo solely. more power under less load mean you still have room to grow if you get that bug again.

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with 9.5 compression and boost he wouldnt be able to run much on pump gas and swapping pulleys gets old.
either tune with some sort of meth injection, e85, or run lower compression and more boost.
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with 9.5 compression and boost he wouldnt be able to run much on pump gas and swapping pulleys gets old.
either tune with some sort of meth injection, e85, or run lower compression and more boost.
Well, I'm a fan of more power with less boost. So for me 9.85.1 compression and boost is the way to go. All I want is 550rwhp for the street tune. That can probably be accomplished with 15# or less with the right set up. And for the race tune with race gas or E85 700rwhp will require less boost than the 8.5.1 compression engine. I would rather make 700 hp with 20 psi than 700 hp with 25 psi but thats just me. Plus the higher compression helps with low rpm power production. But since the OP wants 650 hp thats up to him. I would hate to have to push 20+ to reach 650, doesnt leave a whole lot of room to grow if he wants more power later on.

And your right swapping pulleys may be a PITA, but it may be much easier if he decides to use the HOB dedicated drive.
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with 9.5 compression and boost he wouldnt be able to run much on pump gas and swapping pulleys gets old.
either tune with some sort of meth injection, e85, or run lower compression and more boost.
I had 9.2:1 compression and some minor head work and made 570whp with 16psi.

To the OP, stick with your Novi, those things make tons of boost. You can easily make over 600whp with a motor in the low 9's compression wise. Blow through is the way to go, I've got it on my car and love the sound. Just bought a new Tial 50mm BOV for my new setup and can't wait to hear it.
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