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Old 07-05-2009, 09:12 AM   #251 (permalink)
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Damn, thats a sweet sound. Im thinking you need a CCD lense, lots of reflection in the plexi
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Old 07-05-2009, 11:11 AM   #252 (permalink)
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Boy, that brings back memories from many years ago.

How long is that track?

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Bruce, that "blue monster" sounds awesome! congrats
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Bruce, You need to take that car to Road America where you can find third and fourth gear.

Can you do The Kink at full throttle?
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i can tell you have a lightweight clutch, revving is quick and shifting doesn't seem as smooth. I have a triple disc 7.25inches, its either "on" or "off", no room for anything different.
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Damn, thats a sweet sound. Im thinking you need a CCD lense, lots of reflection in the plexi
I need to paint that sheetmetal at the base of the windshield flat black me thinks.

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Getting a little more comfortable in the car on day two:

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Bruce, I noticed some steering issues when behind the yellow BMW.

I've learned over all my years of OT, its wise the leave the bottle of JD back at the trailer and drive with two hands.

Udder than that...purty car. Paint that dash black.

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Old 07-22-2009, 03:38 PM   #255 (permalink)
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Which car ya like better? The blue one or the red one. Hows the OHV mill vs. the DOHC?

So far I like the vids of the red one better but I imagine the blue one handles better.

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Bruce

Which car ya like better? The blue one or the red one. Hows the OHV mill vs. the DOHC?

So far I like the vids of the red one better but I imagine the blue one handles better.

spain!


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For me to compare the two cars would be unfair at this point. My R I have driven for 7 years and I am very comfortable in the car. It's like a well worn pair of shoes. Right now, I still like my R better.

The blue car only has only one outing under it's belt with me driving. It was on a track that I'm not particularily fond of, has almost all flat and off camber turns, has virtually no grip and needs a repave job real bad! So it's not a fair comparison really.

The blue car is approximately 500# lighter, is better balanced and has more power. But I'm not as comfortable driving it. Proficiency is low in the car with me driving as well. I have to ankle/toe the pedals because the gas pedal is so high. I was looking at trying to adjust it but I have bigger fish to fry at the present time.

My main concern at this point is getting a little aero help on the car before Road America. Which by the way is a few short weeks away. It will be my first time at the track with the car and only the car's second outing so I'm not going to be too terribly disappointed if I'm slow!

As far as the motors go, the bigger DOHC motor has a lot more grunt. This makes running on a track a pleasure at all RPM ranges. Not so much with the push rod motor. The blue car is a HELL of a lot noisier than my R. And I can hardly communicate to a passenger in my R WITH a helmet to helmet communicator. I'll most likely try some ear plugs and see if that helps.

It's strictly a toy that I hope to have a lot of fun in.

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Old 07-22-2009, 10:29 PM   #257 (permalink)
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Sounds like your still worked some bugs out and getting to know each other. For some reason I thought you had more seat time in it.

So the pushrod mill is a little more peaky. Watching the red car video's at Road America I looks like you could almost get away with a "three-on-the-tree" shifter there is so much spread in the engine. Is the blue one gunna be more work to drive?


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My main concern at this point is getting a little aero help on the car before Road America. Which by the way is a few short weeks away.

It's strictly a toy that I hope to have a lot of fun in.

Bruce,

Congrats on driving the car on track!

It looks really fast.

See you soon buddy!
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Bruce,

Congrats on driving the car on track!

It looks really fast.

See you soon buddy!
Mike:

Yeah, the shakedown went pretty well, all things considered.

Fast is a relative term when coming from a guy with a C6-R!

First time to Road America with the car. It's going to be interesting!

See you soon pal!

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Yeah, the shakedown went pretty well, all things considered.

Fast is a relative term when coming from a guy with a C6-R!

First time to Road America with the car. It's going to be interesting!

See you soon pal!

Hey,

Do you want to borrow the yellow X you guys put on me a few years back?

Maybe it'll bring you good luck!
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Hey,

Do you want to borrow the yellow X you guys put on me a few years back?

Maybe it'll bring you good luck!
Actually I was going to bring an orange triangle for the back of the car!
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Here is my Road America shakedown report on the blue car.

First I must thank James Hellermann for the awesome last minute job he did on my front splitter. His SVTP user I.D. is JamesHell. He threw this thing together in a few days and it arrived just in time for me to fit it to the car. It worked fantastic. It's the first time I've experienced front aero in five years. The length of time I've run my R, sans front splitter.

But I had some issues with the car. Rear aero was completely non-existant. The car was downright scary at speed. I had to concentrate on holding the steering wheel straight. That slowed me down considerably. I know Mark Wilson and Brian Tone both warned me the Steeda rear wing wasn't going to do squat! Guess I had to experience it for myself. Going into the Kink and turn 12 were downright frightening. Going into one and five weren't quite as bad because they are straight approaches. G-Stream, here I come!

The car was running hot as well. After I changed the thermostat the car ran perfectly cool for one session. Then the second session it ran hot again. I believe I have an insufficient coolant recovery capacity and that was what caused the low coolant the second run when it ran hot again. The size of the coolant recovery bottle I believe is insufficient. That will be addressed.

The engine RPM is currently limited to 6,200 RPM and the only thing left that I haven't already changed, is the engine wiring harness. If that doesn't do it I told Marv I'm putting a carburetor on the car!

I put a 14" Brembo front brake kit on the car and the braking was much better than the 13" Brembos. I'm starting to get used to manual, non-ABS brakes which was a huge adjustment for me.

It was kind of freaky when the Lexan windshield flexed in on me going into turn one for the first time. That was an eye opener!

Road America is obviously quite different from Gingerman where I had the initial shakedown for the car. Not to mention the fact that this car drives completely different than my R.

Bottom line, I ran four seconds slower than my fastest time with the R. And if I was a patient person I guess I'd be satisfied with that. I'll have to admit, I was expecting better. But better lap times will come with rear aero and more seat time.

Video camera was unfortunately unable to capture any complete footage. I believe I have some bits and pieces I can put up. The ride is just too violent for the camera. I need to work on some sort of a rubber isolated mount.

Next outing for the car at this point looks like it may be next year.



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The engine RPM is currently limited to 6,200 RPM and the only thing left that I haven't already changed, is the engine wiring harness. If that doesn't do it I told Marv I'm putting a carburetor on the car!
What do you mean it is limited? A chip? Simply won't go over 6200 if you leave your foot on the floor?

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What do you mean it is limited? A chip? Simply won't go over 6200 if you leave your foot on the floor?

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Ths motor break up at 6,200. The pill is a 6,800 rpm pill so I don't know what's going on!??!

We know the motor will run 7,500 because we spun it 7,500 on the engine dyno with a carb and distributor. The motor is good to 8,500.
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Bruce,

Have you checked to see if the 6800 pill has the correct resistance? Or if anything else in the pathway with the pill has changed (ie more or less resistance) that would cause the computer to think that the rev limit is lower?


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Of course, I am surmising that the pills actually work off of resistance. I am not entirely sure that is how they work.
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I actually was going to try a different pill just for the hell of it but I didn't think to ask Marv if he brought them to the track for me.

I was battling high coolant temps all weekend and I think that is was distracted me.
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Ths motor break up at 6,200. The pill is a 6,800 rpm pill so I don't know what's going on!??!

We know the motor will run 7,500 because we spun it 7,500 on the engine dyno with a carb and distributor. The motor is good to 8,500.
I would think ignition or valve train--more likely ignition. Good ground? The pill would definately be suspect. What kind of ignition?

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I would think ignition or valve train--more likely ignition. Good ground? The pill would definately be suspect. What kind of ignition?

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Tom:

It's not the valve train. The motor ran on the engine dyno at 7,500.

It's definitely ignition. It's a Ford ECC, with a tuned chip and an MSD ignition box piggy-backed on top.
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It's not the valve train. The motor ran on the engine dyno at 7,500.

It's definitely ignition. It's a Ford ECC, with a tuned chip and an MSD ignition box piggy-backed on top.
Have you had the new box rewired so that you can actually try it?
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Have you checked to see if the 6800 pill has the correct resistance? Or if anything else in the pathway with the pill has changed (ie more or less resistance) that would cause the computer to think that the rev limit is lower?


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One way to check the pill is to just remove it. Don't put one in, and regulate the RPM with your foot. I'm sure you can watch the tach for a second or two , around the RPM range you need to test at.
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Have you had the new box rewired so that you can actually try it?
Tom:

I put the new ignition box in wired the way it should be and the RPM limit dropped to around 5,500 so I put the old one back on.

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One way to check the pill is to just remove it. Don't put one in, and regulate the RPM with your foot. I'm sure you can watch the tach for a second or two , around the RPM range you need to test at.
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We tried unplugging the rev limiter completely and no difference.
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I had a similar problem in my 95 street cobra with a chip, although it was at a lower rpm it would bang out. Never figured it out so I just removed the chip. I wondered if it was not getting correct contact when plugged into the EEC.

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Tom:

I put the new ignition box in wired the way it should be and the RPM limit dropped to around 5,500 so I put the old one back on.



Gene:

We tried unplugging the rev limiter completely and no difference.
I had a similar problem at Nash. and Sebring. I had two batteries and was charging one between sessions. Even with a full batt., it wouldn't last a whole session. I found a wiring problem related to my alt.

Just my $.02 again
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I had a similar (but not exactly the same) thing that I chased for a year. This type of problem is frustrating since you can't find it in the shop. Sometimes, a dyno pull will not find it since it can't create the same load on the engine that a track can. It's discussed on C-C.com.

I don't have a computer so that wasn't it. The engine suddenly would "lay over" at about 5800 rpm while it always pulled hard to 7000 rpm. Over the year, I started throwing stuff at it: Rebuilt the Holley carb, checked fuel pressure, replaced fuel filters (both pumps), new plugs, new rotors, distributor cap, new wires, new coil, new valve springs, changed the tach and MSD chip, screwed with the timing, cleaned every ground on the car, tried a another battery......

Finally, Gary brought a proven extra carburetor, a proven distributor, and a new MSD box to the track. He went out to the end of the back straight at Sebring and listened to the car do its usual issue before the end of the straight. "It's the carb" he said. We replaced the newly rebuilt carb with his, and the car responded immediately.

We took the Holley 750 double-pumper back to the shop and still couldn't find a thing wrong with it. It went in the garbage. This race carb is on the car:
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