The "Late Model Mustang Exhibition" (it wasn't an R Race because there were not enough R models) was exactly that, an 'exhibition'. Side by side racing was encouraged as was putting on a good show for the spectators. There was a VERY large gathering of spectators at that event which I can only assume was somewhere in the 1,000's. This was the Mustang 45th Anniversary Celebration and it was probably MORE for the fans than it was for the particpants. The SCMC event would be MORE for the participants than the fans as there will be much fewer fans spectating.
Roll bars and basic safety equipment were required. All of the participants were seasoned track dawgz and behaved very well. Although there were a couple of off track excursions they took place without a single wrinkle of sheetmetal that I am aware of.
FWIW
I did not stay to see the Sunday activities, and thought that this was a
"real" race.
The event (@ VIR) could be run like an AMLS race 3 class of cars one race
each vintage Cobra R (93, 95, 2000) could be a class
also a 4th & 5th Class could be added for Vintage vehicle as well as late models that do not fit class 1,2or 3.
Bruce, My recommendation is for you/the organizers to determine what you want to accomplish and then work backwards from there. If you have a true race, you need to check with insurance first. The Barber event was an exhibition event and not a race. I don't believe any cars were running at 100%. Most were probably at 90% and we all had fun other than two cars that were involved with the above incident.
I believe Brian has the most race experience of this group. I believe his concerns are valid in that running an actual race brings MANY variables to the table you can't control. Varying car speeds, driver talent and ego for "the win" are a dangerous combination for most of the participants that we attracted. No one in our group cared about winning--we just wanted to have fun and put on a show for the crowd.
Tom
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Bruce,
I also have no problem running with people that I know and have experience, but alot of track experience is very different than racing experience and driving off line ion corners...it is not to be taken lightly in my opinion.
Brian
Brian:
I hear what you're saying. Driving off line is something I do a lot. Almost every time I pass someone on track, a vast majority of the time I leave them the preferred line and I stay off line not to upset their rhythm.
Even when I have intermediate and advanced students and we make late passes on the track I make them drive off line, leaving the preferred line to the vehicle being passed as a courtesy. Driving off line is an exercise EVERYONE (that wants to go fast) does in the rain. I personally don't think driving off line in traffic is that complicated. Perhaps that just me!
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As far as the rules on dropping tires ect, that is called in by corner workers. When it is called in, you are called in for a appropriate penalty. The emphasis is on safety and good driving.
Brian
I've NEVER been to an SCMC event where safety and good driving have not been emphasized. This event would be no different.
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Originally Posted by Philcsag1
I did not stay to see the Sunday activities, and thought that this was a
"real" race.
The event (@ VIR) could be run like an AMLS race 3 class of cars one race
each vintage Cobra R (93, 95, 2000) could be a class
also a 4th & 5th Class could be added for Vintage vehicle as well as late models that do not fit class 1,2or 3.
Looking forward to seeing all the R's at VIR
Phil
Phil:
There will most likely only be one '93 (like always) so it would be hard to have individual classes for all years.
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Originally Posted by tomshep
Yes, that was a result of the exhibition event.
Bruce, My recommendation is for you/the organizers to determine what you want to accomplish and then work backwards from there. If you have a true race, you need to check with insurance first. The Barber event was an exhibition event and not a race. I don't believe any cars were running at 100%. Most were probably at 90% and we all had fun other than two cars that were involved with the above incident.
I believe Brian has the most race experience of this group. I believe his concerns are valid in that running an actual race brings MANY variables to the table you can't control. Varying car speeds, driver talent and ego for "the win" are a dangerous combination for most of the participants that we attracted. No one in our group cared about winning--we just wanted to have fun and put on a show for the crowd.
Tom
Tom:
In my conversation with Tony he wanted to have "Something Special" at this event that would spice up your typical OT event/driving school. Like a VAST majority of OT events we all have participated in, safety and fun have always been the main focus. In that order. We go to these events because we love to drive our cars like they were meant to be driven. The more events I go to the more I enjoy the camaraderie of the people attending them. It's not that I don't enjoy the track, but I really enjoy seeing the old (and new) friends at these events.
I titled this thread as a combination race/challenge/???? (note the four question marks) This is NOT a balls out race. There will be NO PURSE. Tony may give out a jacket or a small trophy for the 'victor'. I say victor because the person that actually crosses the finish line first could easily 'break-out' if he went too fast.
This is NOT a competitive race. If someone wants to race they should join the SCCA and race. This is NOT the venue they should be looking at. This is a friendly little activity Tony and I thought up to throw a little additional 'interest' into an OT event. That's all it is and nothing more.
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Exactly what Bruce said in the above post. Just would like to see a Cobra R meet next year at our 3 day VIR event. Most of you in this thread are SCMC members and it would be a great way to get all of you together as well as other R owners who want to meet up and have a little fun on the track.
The first thing you have to do is "gauge" interest in this event. Why bother checking on insurance until you know that there is a group that even wants to do it. The next step will be mine to check with our insurance to see if we can do it without paying an arm and a leg.
What we talked about was doing a "bracket" type run session where you dial in your time and if you meet it without breaking out then you'd win something special, maybe a cool Cobra R jacket, sort of like the Pace Car jacket we had at our 10th anniversary last month. If you want to see what the jacket looked like, ask Phil to post up a photo of it since he was one of the winners. Since everyone will be basically running against themselves at the same time, it would look like a competitive run session. It wouldn't matter how fast your Cobra is but rather how consistent you are on the track. Cars will be out on the track according to their "dial in" time. If everyone is consistent then everyone would pass the tower at the same time but we all know that is not going to happen. In the event of a tie, we'd do a one lap time trial to determine the winner, who could get a "2010 Cobra R Challenge Race" Winner jacket with a 2010 CRCR logo and SCMC club logo of course.
It seems we have some interest and there's no better time to start up something like this then now so we could maybe plan a big event for next year for SVT owners. This would also give us a year to iron out the details and come up with some creative ideas for next year's event.
If you have never run VIR before, you don't know what you are missing.
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In my conversation with Tony he wanted to have "Something Special" at this event that would spice up your typical OT event/driving school. Like a VAST majority of OT events we all have participated in, safety and fun have always been the main focus. In that order. We go to these events because we love to drive our cars like they were meant to be driven. The more events I go to the more I enjoy the camaraderie of the people attending them. It's not that I don't enjoy the track, but I really enjoy seeing the old (and new) friends at these events.
Tom responds: +++1. Absolutely.
I titled this thread as a combination race/challenge/???? (note the four question marks) This is NOT a balls out race. There will be NO PURSE. Tony may give out a jacket or a small trophy for the 'victor'. I say victor because the person that actually crosses the finish line first could easily 'break-out' if he went too fast.
This is NOT a competitive race. If someone wants to race they should join the SCCA and race. This is NOT the venue they should be looking at. This is a friendly little activity Tony and I thought up to throw a little additional 'interest' into an OT event. That's all it is and nothing more.
I guess the title confused me since it had "race" in it. I interpreted that to mean RACE.
I would be very careful putting the word "race" anywhere in the description of the event or using it at all. Liability and insurance issues. OK--off of my soapbox.
I believe what you are trying to accomplish is something very similar to what we did at Barber. Previously I had done similar events at the Mid America Shelby Meet. There was one big difference between MA and Barber--about 50% of the participants were new! That created a lot of concern about the actual running of the event.
To let you know how we put it together. It was by invitation and word-of-mouth only. First, we made sure everyone that participated was clear it was an exhibition event and nothing more. The applicants were screened for driving experience. The cars had to meet safety criteria. Actually getting a recommendation from someone that had participated at Mid America also helped. We did turn some applicants away. The cars were reverse grid with slowest up front. Dell and I also took the front row because we have run together for many years and are very comfortable side-by-side through corners. This allowed the start to be rather exciting. Passing was allowed in corners but it was done with a great deal of caution. Bruce, you were out there and there was a lot of "give" and no "take" between the drivers.
I was going to also say I thought the you all ran at the 40th in Nashville,TN turned out well. The cars were going around in groups of five and eight. Everyone seemed to have a blast. The straight away the 2000 cobraR's were reaching speeds of 173mph. I know I was there. Everyone thought it was run ok there weren't many complaints as far as the track went. Parking for the show was another story.
If I was Tony at SCMC, I'd just organize the regular SCMC event and add a Cobra R Reunion (2010 is the 15th anniversary of the 95R).
He could organize a group picture of all of the Cobra R's that attend (track and street cars- like they did at Autobahn). If he gets enough track cars to organize a "track exhibition", he could block off a 30 minute session on Saturday. How many active Cobra R's are currently being tracked? Six? Eight?
Is a BIW IMSA car a R?
I don't have a Cobra R track car, but I'd try to come to a Cobra R convention.
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If you have never run VIR before, you don't know what you are missing.
I've run into stuff at VIR.
I know Fast Fred also experienced an "off" at VIR.
A friend had an "off" at VIR:
It's a place that one must take very seriously.
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At the MA we had 20+ cars how many where true R models, I don't know. I have a 00R that is exhibition prepped & I am plan on going to VIR next year if my schedule works out.
A 15 year anniversary for the 95R & 10 year for 00R would be a great event. There are several other R model cars here in Texas that are tracked & might make the trip also.
Gary.
Count me in, regardless of what the event is named....any of the past events that were called "Cobra R Challenge, Race, or Reunion" were fantastic get-togethers, and a great opportunity to meet and hang out with other R owners and car people in general, regardless of if they owned a show car, just started tracking their car, had all-out track beasts, or Cobra R race cars....I think I had the most fun racing in the Cobra R Challenge with SCMC / AV8SS at Gingerman (despite the rainy weather and the CHEVY RV issues on the trip there) but being in the "Cobra R" run groups at other events was nearly as much fun....I know insurance would be an issue with a club event, but if a race / time event isnt a possibility, it sure would be great to get everyone together again next year, as we've skipped a few years, and it would be nice to get 'back on track' - pun intended! and make this an annual event once again
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2000 Cobra R #262 of 300
1995 Cobra R #223 of 250 (IMSA/Grand Am "Hacker Express" #00)
1993 Cobra R #38 of 107 (SpeedVision World Challenge "Program Motorsports" car)
2006 F-350 Crew Cab Diesel 4x4 King Ranch
2007 GT White/Graphite w/FRPP stuff
2008 GT500 Vapor/Black w/FRPP stuff
1936 Ford 5-Window Coupe Old School Hot Rod
and a few fairlanes, broncos, etc
I will be there for sure. Love to see everyone again. It is always a lot of fun playing with all my track buddies.
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2004 SVT Mustang Grand AM Koni Challenge Cup car #52
2007 Shelby GT Mustang #233
2005 Ford F-150 w/ 5.4 and towing package
2002 Lincoln LS -Wife's car
I'm open to anything y'all want to do next year. Maybe an exhibition is the way to go.... I think it's about time the SCMC had the Cobra R reunion since we are the only national SVT Cobra Club.....or should I say International??
Who knows, maybe I'll have a new addition to my stable next year.
I'm open to any suggestions y'all may have. Everytime I come to this forum/thread, I go and check my bank account to see if there's anything in there for an R...brb.
I'm open to any suggestions y'all may have. Everytime I come to this forum/thread, I go and check my bank account to see if there's anything in there for an R...brb.
The event is 7 months away. The 2009 season isn't even finished yet.
RV issues on the trip there) but being in the "Cobra R" run groups at other events was nearly as much fun....I know insurance would be an issue with a club event, but if a race / time event isnt a possibility, it sure would be great to get everyone together again next year, as we've skipped a few years, and it would be nice to get 'back on track' - pun intended! 
and make this an annual event once again 
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