Am I the last one to see this 00R-Turbo?

[SlowSVT]

I would be very reluctant to apply FI to an 00 "R" or anything that may detract for it's road racing design intent. I was given the honor of riding in Juice46 turbo 03 and "when" the tires hooked it was the fast thing on four wheels I have ever rode in. Excessive hp in the twisties is not your friend.

Track prepped 00 "R" for me only

[RussZTT]

Buddy of mine has one. He put down 815rwhp at 13psi I think?? Last year or longer he blew a headgasket and its still down just sitting.

[BlackBolt9]

Originally Posted by SlowSVT

I would be very reluctant to apply FI to an 00 "R" or anything that may detract for it's road racing design intent. I was given the honor of riding in Juice46 turbo 03 and "when" the tires hooked it was the fast thing on four wheels I have ever rode in. Excessive hp in the twisties is not your friend.

Track prepped 00 "R" for me only

Are you joking or ignorant? Turbos are terrible for a road race car, that's why they've been used in Formula 1 and Indy car, let alone Le Mans and many other road race series.

Excessive hp is always good, you have to be a good enough driver to use it properly instead of just mashing the gas and spinning the tires every chance you get.

I would be reluctant to see what you think is a "track prepped" road race car.

[SlowSVT]

Originally Posted by BlackBolt9

Are you joking or ignorant? Turbos are terrible for a road race car, that's why they've been used in Formula 1 and Indy car, let alone Le Mans and many other road race series.

Excessive hp is always good, you have to be a good enough driver to use it properly instead of just mashing the gas and spinning the tires every chance you get.

I would be reluctant to see what you think is a "track prepped" road race car.

All I said was "Excessive hp in the twisties is not your friend". Is that a true statement?

I think you are overreacting to my post and there is no need to get hostile

You are more then welcome to come see my "track prepped" Mustang. I think your perspective will change very quickly.

[BlackBolt9]

Originally Posted by SlowSVT

All I said was "Excessive hp in the twisties is not your friend". Is that a true statement?

No. There are still straight aways between those twisties no matter how long or short they are.

Originally Posted by SlowSVT

I think you are overreacting to my post and there is no need to get hostile

You are more then welcome to come see my "track prepped" Mustang. I think your perspective will change very quickly.

My post may have come off a bit harsh but I don't think you are correct.

Have a link to your car? Always willing to look at someone else's ideas. Everyone has their own little tricks that can be useful in different situations.

[1995COBRA-R]

Originally Posted by BlackBolt9

Turbos are terrible for a road race car, that's why they've been used in Formula 1 and Indy car, let alone Le Mans and many other road race series.:

That is true. My good friend owns a Porsche 962 (that's my red car in the background).


He raced the car at this year's Mitty. The car previously won LeMans, Sebring, and Daytona.

I'd agree that a turbo can win a race in a prototype-type international road race.

What is not clear to me is how a turbo production car (no prototypes or tube-frame cars) can be competitive in road racing with any rules of SCCA/NASA/Grand-Am? They don't allow a 00R-turbo in the same class as a stock 00R.

I am also confused about the weight of a turbo car. You have the weight of a race 00R. Then you add how much weight in front and behind the front spindles? Then you have how much money that would make the 00R competitive in the class with the 2002 Porsche GT2 (the turbo Porsche)? The Porsche has a 3.8L while the 00R has a 5.4L engine.

We all know the many successes of the non-aspirated Ford racing cars. They've been winning races all over the world for 45 years. Yet, I can't remember one turbo-Ford that has won a championship (or even a race)?

I don't doubt that a turbo-00R could win a drag race.

A 5.4L turbo 00R may be competitive with a C6Z06? The Z06 will weigh much less (the standard 1.4X displacement rule would have these cars in the same class). I'll let you young guys fight this fight. My old-butt really doesn't want to go this fast.

I'd pay to see a 00R-turbo go 165+ mph through the "Kink" at Road America or 140+ mph down the hill at Road Atlanta. Just don't miss the apex by more than 10 inches.

[BlackBolt9]

Originally Posted by 1995COBRA-R

(that's my red car in the background).

You have a car that isn't red?

Originally Posted by 1995COBRA-R

What is not clear to me is how a turbo production car (no prototypes or tube-frame cars) can be competitive in road racing with any rules of SCCA/NASA/Grand-Am? They don't allow a 00R-turbo in the same class as a stock 00R.

Bruce or Fred can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe a stock 00R gets classified to run in AIX with NASA. A turbo 00R would also fall in that same class if I remember the rules correctly. I think you would agree that with things equal on most tracks the turbo car would be faster. I would think the added weight would be made up for with the significant increase in power.

Originally Posted by 1995COBRA-R

I am also confused about the weight of a turbo car. You have the weight of a race 00R. Then you add how much weight in front and behind the front spindles? Then you have how much money that would make the 00R competitive in the class with the 2002 Porsche GT2 (the turbo Porsche)? The Porsche has a 3.8L while the 00R has a 5.4L engine.

If you put the same amount of money, time, effort into both cars I would bet the Porsche is faster around a track. It would depend on how much time you want to take, and how much money you want to spend to determine which car better fits your budget to meet the goal you are attempting to achieve.

Originally Posted by 1995COBRA-R

We all know the many successes of the non-aspirated Ford racing cars. They've been winning races all over the world for 45 years. Yet, I can't remember one turbo-Ford that has won a championship (or even a race)?

I have no idea, I'm not much good with history. The only thing I can think of would be the World Rally Championship with the Focus. Beyond that it would take more time digging than I am willing to spend.

Originally Posted by 1995COBRA-R

I don't doubt that a turbo-00R could win a drag race.

It may win a couple depending on what it's going against but I don't think the rear end would hold together very long under hard launch conditions.

Originally Posted by 1995COBRA-R

A 5.4L turbo 00R may be competitive with a C6Z06? The Z06 will weigh much less (the standard 1.4X displacement rule would have these cars in the same class). I'll let you young guys fight this fight. My old-butt really doesn't want to go this fast.

A stock C6Z06? Maybe, depends on the track and the level of prep in the 00R. A stock 00R with a turbo won't handle well enough to keep up with a stock C6Z06 IMO though. As always I could be wrong but hey what fun is bench racing if you're not wrong once in awhile

Originally Posted by 1995COBRA-R

I'd pay to see a 00R-turbo go 165+ mph through the "Kink" at Road America or 140+ mph down the hill at Road Atlanta. Just don't miss the apex by more than 10 inches.

It would be exciting, not sure I'd want to be in the car for the first try though

[1995COBRA-R]

Originally Posted by BlackBolt9

You have a car that isn't red?

Yes.





I am a University of Georgia graduate. We happen to like the Red and Black. It's just something that is in our DNA. We don't care if our football team currently sucks. We do care that our female Gym Dogs are cute.

The female Gym Dogs have now won 10 NCCA National Championships. Did you think that I liked 350 pound defensive lineman? Here is the 2009 Honda-Broderick Cup winner.



They call her the "Women Athlete of the Year". She looks good it that red dress. If a girl can win this award, I just wonder what it would be like if....

On topic:

Bruce or Fred can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe a stock 00R gets classified to run in AIX with NASA.

I have no idea. I am not aware of a AIX turbo car. The rules say OEM.

[BlackBolt9]

Originally Posted by 1995COBRA-R

Yes.

They call her the "Women Athlete of the Year". She looks good it that red dress. If a girl can win this award, I just wonder what it would be like if....

I have no idea. I am not aware of a AIX turbo car. The rules say OEM.

I forgot about those two

I wonder as well

AI has a hp vs weight rule. AIX is pretty open. From this post at corner-carvers it appears turbos are legal in AIX. I don't know what the actual rules are though.

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[Saleenrose]

Shayne, Turbo 00r,

Any chance a guy can see this car? I think I will be in Phoenix in January. Interested in how it looks and fits.