Does it make over 430hp on Regular octane in a truck motor at just 6.2L? Or is this in 7L or greater variation?
The reason I ask is that would be a pretty impressive feat as the Z06 is making 505hp from a 7L on Hightest in an all out performance design. The 6.2L in the LS3 is making a little over 430hp, but again, on Hightest in a performance application.
The motor itself comes from Ford as a 6.2L(379 ci) motor, but the block itself has the ability to reach displacements of just right below 450 ci's I believe. It has a much larger bore spacing than Modulars do.
Some people act unimpressed by the motors claimed 411 HPand 434 lb-ft,(I thought it had over 430 HP when I posted yesterday. I think the torque # confused with the HP #) but you have to think that this is a high production, cheap to produce truck motor thats built to last a very long time, and is rated to need nothing moore than 87 octane. Those are not bad #'s and I'm sure the motor mades much of its power down low as thats how you build truck motors.
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so what is so great about it getting a 6 speed? I mean i guess it's cool but I have never really seen the need in it. This is my second mach-1 and i have never even thought of a 6 speed.
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so what is so great about it getting a 6 speed? I mean i guess it's cool but I have never really seen the need in it. This is my second mach-1 and i have never even thought of a 6 speed.
Easier to keep the vehicle in its power band with 6 speeds.....especially useful for road racing applications. It will also, sometimes, allow for a higher ratio 6th gear for improved gas mileage.
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Actually, I think the T56/TR606 is lighter than the T5 by a tiny bit.
No real gain in gears 1-4, but you now have double overdrive for better mileage, which is going to be more and more important as the gg tax will inch lower and lower as the CAFE standards increase. The T56/6060 is a good bit stronger too if my memory serves me correctly.
The motor itself comes from Ford as a 6.2L(379 ci) motor, but the block itself has the ability to reach displacements of just right below 450 ci's I believe. It has a much larger bore spacing than Modulars do.
Some people act unimpressed by the motors claimed 411 HPand 434 lb-ft,(I thought it had over 430 HP when I posted yesterday. I think the torque # confused with the HP #) but you have to think that this is a high production, cheap to produce truck motor thats built to last a very long time, and is rated to need nothing moore than 87 octane. Those are not bad #'s and I'm sure the motor mades much of its power down low as thats how you build truck motors.
That's what I'm beginning to think, and if it happens Ford can suck a dick. The current Mustang GT is way underpowered for the money, it deserves nothing less than 400hp.
Axactly.. I've been saying this for years... The GT should make the same HP that the SS Camaro makes.. And I know it barely returned but the GTO was around and was making 350 then 400.. A dammed disgrace to show up with a Mustang bearing a GT badge and a V8 under the hood making 325 or so HP when GM products were making more for almost the same price...
With 400HP and a curb weight around 3700 pounds, the Mustang would be a good match for the Camaro. I don't see Ford putting so much power in the GT that they don't make it easy for themselves to create a significant performance gap to the GT500.
Do you have a source or background for the weight you quoted? That would make the 11 about 100 more lbs than the 3600lb 10 mustang gt. I was under the impression that the 11 was going to add little to no weight!
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Does it make over 430hp on Regular octane in a truck motor at just 6.2L? Or is this in 7L or greater variation?
The reason I ask is that would be a pretty impressive feat as the Z06 is making 505hp from a 7L on Hightest in an all out performance design. The 6.2L in the LS3 is making a little over 430hp, but again, on Hightest in a performance application.
Ford has a couple bored and stroked 6.2 competing currently in some race circuits. I believe roush put an 8.0 into a drag race car producing 800hp n/a. Again this is a very specific race motor that would probably not pass Ford durability/reliability testing let alone epa certifications.
Do you have a source or background for the weight you quoted? That would make the 11 about 100 more lbs than the 3600lb 10 mustang gt. I was under the impression that the 11 was going to add little to no weight!
Can't wait till you and I get to settle this one. I'm still saying right around 3,650# when fitted with the Brembo's (which I heard were going to be stock but apparently are optional now) and 19" wheels/tires. Basically, a 2011 Track Pack or equvialent.
Can't wait till you and I get to settle this one. I'm still saying right around 3,650# when fitted with the Brembo's (which I heard were going to be stock but apparently are optional now) and 19" wheels/tires. Basically, a 2011 Track Pack or equvialent.
Maybe the Brembos are stock and the option is just bigger and better than the stock Brembos.
Can't wait till you and I get to settle this one. I'm still saying right around 3,650# when fitted with the Brembo's (which I heard were going to be stock but apparently are optional now) and 19" wheels/tires. Basically, a 2011 Track Pack or equvialent.
You may be correct. I would imagine that the dohc 5.0 will add some weight and I dont see Ford taking any more weight off the mustang(unless the price goes up as well) specially with the tighter restrictions in the coming years. 3650 is a intelligent guess.
This would leave the 5.0 dohc mustang gt about 200lbs less than the camaro ss.
Side note: The 2010 RTR Mustang gt(full carbon fiber body) weighed in at 3050 with about half gas and full fluids. For the price of a zr1 you can have a mustang that weighs the same as a z06....
You may be correct. I would imagine that the dohc 5.0 will add some weight and I dont see Ford taking any more weight off the mustang(unless the price goes up as well) specially with the tighter restrictions in the coming years. 3650 is a intelligent guess.
This would leave the 5.0 dohc mustang gt about 200lbs less than the camaro ss.
Side note: The 2010 RTR Mustang gt(full carbon fiber body) weighed in at 3050 with about half gas and full fluids. For the price of a zr1 you can have a mustang that weighs the same as a z06....
The funny thing is Ford never published an official curb weight for the 2010 GT. The 2005 GT is listed as a low 34xxlb car, and not much is different in the 2010 model. IMO, the current GT is lighter than most people think. I think with the track pack and premium interior it's just barely a 3500lb car.
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The funny thing is Ford never published an official curb weight for the 2010 GT. The 2005 GT is listed as a low 34xxlb car, and not much is different in the 2010 model. IMO, the current GT is lighter than most people think. I think with the track pack and premium interior it's just barely a 3500lb car.
My 2008 GT 5spd Cali Special with the Mach 500 weighed 3522 with ~3/4 tank. This was on certified scales
The funny thing is Ford never published an official curb weight for the 2010 GT. The 2005 GT is listed as a low 34xxlb car, and not much is different in the 2010 model. IMO, the current GT is lighter than most people think. I think with the track pack and premium interior it's just barely a 3500lb car.
Track Pack has weighed 3,572# and 3,575# in two different tests that published weights. My estimate is not just some wild arse guess.
Hope it happens, but dont see it. Anytime soon anyways...
The fact is, Ford announced the Boss 302R correct? That is an $80,000 car according to the literature...
I see in now way, an $80,000 car.....special from Ford.....sharing the same engine as a $27k - $35k Mustang GT.
The Bullitt engine wasnt even offerend in the GT. The Cobra engine was never offered in a GT...the Mach 1 engine was never offered in a GT..Saleen, Roush, Shelby..etc etc etc etc...... I don't see that age old pattern changing..
Hope it happens, but dont see it. Anytime soon anyways...
The fact is, Ford announced the Boss 302R correct? That is an $80,000 car according to the literature...
I see in now way, an $80,000 car.....special from Ford.....sharing the same engine as a $27k - $35k Mustang GT.
The Bullitt engine wasnt even offerend in the GT. The Cobra engine was never offered in a GT...the Mach 1 engine was never offered in a GT..Saleen, Roush, Shelby..etc etc etc etc...... I don't see that age old pattern changing..
technically speaking the Bullit engine from the 1st gen s197's it what's in the current 2010 Gts along with pretty much the same suspension
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Beneath the fancy new skin of the 2010 Mustang GT is a chassis and V-8 powertrain pulled directly from the 2008 Bullitt.
The GT and Bullitt difference as far as performance was a modified air intake, free flowing exhaust, and a "dual strategy" ecu.
The 2001 Bullitt actually had a unique intake manifold, making it different and superior to the GT. Although it is rumored that the 2001 Bullitt had slightly more aggressive camshafts, I have my doubts about that.
Hope it happens, but dont see it. Anytime soon anyways...
The fact is, Ford announced the Boss 302R correct? That is an $80,000 car according to the literature...
I see in now way, an $80,000 car.....special from Ford.....sharing the same engine as a $27k - $35k Mustang GT.
The Bullitt engine wasnt even offerend in the GT. The Cobra engine was never offered in a GT...the Mach 1 engine was never offered in a GT..Saleen, Roush, Shelby..etc etc etc etc...... I don't see that age old pattern changing..
It's happening. The GT is getting the 5.0 DOHC next year and you better get used to the idea
Can't wait till you and I get to settle this one. I'm still saying right around 3,650# when fitted with the Brembo's (which I heard were going to be stock but apparently are optional now) and 19" wheels/tires. Basically, a 2011 Track Pack or equvialent.
completely agree. if ford uses their new PTWA spray bore technology in place of iron liners, we could see the weight drop a little more. i'm not sure if ford will be using this on more performance oriented engines though.
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Those were by magazines, not straight from the manufacture
...and? quantitative numbers from magazines are more reliable than manufacturer numbers, considering they are an independent source.
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Technically, that is incorrect information.
The GT and Bullitt difference as far as performance was a modified air intake, free flowing exhaust, and a "dual strategy" ecu.
yea, he is correct. like you said, the difference between the original S197 GT and the bullitt was a CAI, different mufflers, and ECU changes. these are the same changes that were made to the 2010 S197.
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