You should have taken Adam's advice and not responded. Your post clearly indicates you do not understand the issues at all. ie, "Ticket revenue is the ONLY reason why intersection cameras exist. They are not there to prevent anything. They have been accused to have caused more accidents than they have prevented. Just another arm of the local IRS"
Since you do not understand the issues, there is no reason to expand this any further.
BTW - There is no need to respond to my post either....................but I'm sure you will.
They have been accused to have caused more accidents than they have prevented. Just another arm of the local IRS.
This is a very big sore spot with me. I wish Vegas had these at EVERY intersection. Stop whe the light is turing red and you are fine. Run the light, you are busted. Plain and simple.
JUST BECASUE A DRIVER STOPPED FOR A RED LIGHT, AND SOME AZZHOLE REARENDS THEM. DOES NOT MAKE IT THE CAMERAS FAULT. IT'S THE AZZHOLE WHO DID NOT STOPS FAULT.
It is obvious to me that you don't live in an area that has A-holes running redlights and 4 way stops at almost every intersection. And these A-holes run the lights at an alarming rate of speed. When you are stoped and cars go by you so fast that your car moves a bit, they are moving. If you have to wait a few seconds before you go when the light turns green, for fear of your saftey, there is a problem.
Red light running has cost me more money on my insurance becasue of the major crashes in the area I live in. And most of them are at intersections. And I am sure most are from A-holes running red lights. I figured when I bought my new house my car insurance would go down becasue of the gated community and side of town I live in. Nope traffic crashes took care of that.
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This is a very big sore spot with me. I wish Vegas had these at EVERY intersection. Stop whe the light is turing red and you are fine. Run the light, you are busted. Plain and simple.
JUST BECASUE A DRIVER STOPPED FOR A RED LIGHT, AND SOME AZZHOLE REARENDS THEM. DOES NOT MAKE IT THE CAMERAS FAULT. IT'S THE AZZHOLE WHO DID NOT STOPS FAULT.
It is obvious to me that you don't live in an area that has A-holes running redlights and 4 way stops at almost every intersection. And these A-holes run the lights at an alarming rate of speed. When you are stoped and cars go by you so fast that your car moves a bit, they are moving. If you have to wait a few seconds before you go when the light turns green, for fear of your saftey, there is a problem.
Red light running has cost me more money on my insurance becasue of the major crashes in the area I live in. And most of them are at intersections. And I am sure most are from A-holes running red lights. I figured when I bought my new house my car insurance would go down becasue of the gated community and side of town I live in. Nope traffic crashes took care of that.
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I agree with you (I know, very surprising)! The only place worse for running red lights is Phoenix. Tampa is probably a close second to Las Vegas for it.
I find if I am first in line at a red light when it turns green I have to count to three and look both ways. If you take off from a red light here as soon as it turns green you are likely to get hit.
The point of this thread is two fold. First, our elected officials have placed in effect a set of laws that as a society we agree to live with. Yes some are "minor" when compared to others. And it is for that reason that the punishment (whether fine or jail time) is commensurate with the action. But too many people feel since the so-called "minor" infractions have a lesser punishment they should be able to not follow those laws. But they carry an equal weight in the eyes of the legislature as to necessity.
The second point of this thread is perspective. Everyone has laws they feel are not necessary and wholey infringe on their enjoyment of their lives. The car guys dont like traffic laws because they are often in violation of those laws. The people that smoke marijuana dont like the simple possession laws because they are often in violation of those laws and just like the car guys feel their actions only impact themselves. The "taggers" who vandalize buildings and private property with their artistic impressions in paint, feel those laws are not needed.
But when you look at any of these laws from the perspective of a person not involved in that "scene", the laws seem pretty straight forward and understandable. Like I said, it is very much based on your own perspective.
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Ticket revenue is the ONLY reason why intersection cameras exist. They are not there to prevent anything. They have been accused to have caused more accidents than they have prevented. Just another arm of the local IRS.
I can't believe you would suggest that. Here in Sacramento, the cameras are placed in the intersections where the most accidents have occurred. Do you know how much it costs to set up and maintain an intersection with this technology? It has nothing to do with revenue and everything to do with saving lives and preventing accidents. The whole point is to get people NOT to run the light, so the less money that is collected the happier the city officials will be.
The life saved could be my grandmother who probably wouldn't make it an accident. If it prevents a driver in a hurry from flooring it through a red condition but sacrifices an extra $400 in revenue to the city, I think everyone will agree (including the IRS) that it has served its purpose.
This was not meant to offend you. It's simply a disagreement.
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There are 'minimum yellow intervals' which must be followed. Also, as long as any point of your vehicle is crossing the limit line and the light is still yellow, you are not running a red light, so you will not be cited. So if you have passed the limit line and it's still green, what's the problem?
I see you are in California. You have our laws wrong.
You have to be "free and clear" of the intersection when the light turns red or you ran it. The " my front tires were over the limit line when it turned yellow " myth is ages old and has never been correct.
The INSTANT the light turns red the camera starts snapping, if you are in the intersection you're busted.
I see you are in California. You have our laws wrong.
You have to be "free and clear" of the intersection when the light turns red or you ran it. The " my front tires were over the limit line when it turned yellow " myth is ages old and has never been correct.
The INSTANT the light turns red the camera starts snapping, if you are in the intersection you're busted.
Exactly as it should be, although the photos are only used to prosecute those cars entering the intersection or in the middle. Those exiting the intersection are not prosecuted.
Also, I would love to see the quote you speak of and who was the speaker who stated the timing was altered to generate additionhal citations. That minimum timing is regulated by DOT, with no exceptions unless a municipality decides to lengthen the time.
Most cities have found red light cameras to be more of a problem than an aid to traffic enforcement, however the fact remains red light runners cause accidents and need to be stopped.
The cameras provide a cheap alternative to assigning officers to stand watch and they pay for themselves through a portion of the revenue they generate.
If people have a problem with them the solution is quite simple - stop running red lights!!
Their usage is clearly spelled out in the vehicle code, I would suggest reading the material before replying since I have quite a bit of experience with them.
Exactly as it should be, although the photos are only used to prosecute those cars entering the intersection or in the middle. Those exiting the intersection are not prosecuted.
Also, I would love to see the quote you speak of and who was the speaker who stated the timing was altered to generate additionhal citations. That minimum timing is regulated by DOT, with no exceptions unless a municipality decides to lengthen the time.
Most cities have found red light cameras to be more of a problem than an aid to traffic enforcement, however the fact remains red light runners cause accidents and need to be stopped.
The cameras provide a cheap alternative to assigning officers to stand watch and they pay for themselves through a portion of the revenue they generate.
If people have a problem with them the solution is quite simple - stop running red lights!!
Their usage is clearly spelled out in the vehicle code, I would suggest reading the material before replying since I have quite a bit of experience with them.
Thanks for clearing up the vehicle code on the red lights. I totally agree, just stop running the red lights and there will be no complaining about the cameras!
You don't seem to have a lot of experience with the pricing however. Lockheed Martin's system costs a FORTUNE and then you have to yield 60% of ticket revenue back to them.
The city of temecula, ca, recently found it cheaper to hire two additional full time officers, which they did and bannjed red light cameras.
Thanks for clearing up the vehicle code on the red lights. I totally agree, just stop running the red lights and there will be no complaining about the cameras!
Whatever. I don't red lights. I'm 31 and have never even pulled over, no accidents, nothing EVER.
People get ticketed who entered the intersection on GREEN.
Or how about when someone in front of you is going along at a good speed, so you follow them into the intersection, but then there is a dip at the end, and their riced out civic SLOWS TO 1MPH so he doesn't bump his ground effects. BOOM TICKET.
"wait till it's clear"
yeah. we should all slam on our brakes and stop at the limit line till the intersection is TOTALLY CLEAR, then floor it.
I would still be interested in knowing the source of the quote you made earlier, as well as some evidence of citations being issued (and paid) by drivers on green lights. The cameras are normally triggered by light changes so it's kind of hard for them to take photos of cars passing through green lights.
I have worked on two camera projects as the LE laison, I've also testified in a hearing before DOT in support of the systems and have amassed tons of data that shows the systems do work - not in all cases, but in the majority of them. For every article or story of a system that fails, you can find hundreds showing they are working as designed.
There are many reasons why the systems fail, however the evidence clearly shows they increase public awareness and decrease accidents at intersections where they are installed.
Yes, they make money for the manufacturer. Yes, they do add to the City's general fund, although there are limits where they can spend the money. That's what makes this country great. Find a solution to someone's problem and sell it to them. As said from the beginning and repeated often - they will go out of business the moment the motoring public stops running red lights.
Whatever. I don't red lights. I'm 31 and have never even pulled over, no accidents, nothing EVER.
People get ticketed who entered the intersection on GREEN.
Or how about when someone in front of you is going along at a good speed, so you follow them into the intersection, but then there is a dip at the end, and their riced out civic SLOWS TO 1MPH so he doesn't bump his ground effects. BOOM TICKET.
"wait till it's clear"
yeah. we should all slam on our brakes and stop at the limit line till the intersection is TOTALLY CLEAR, then floor it.
Whatever.
Unless you are going to post a link to a credible site or some other credible proof of what you are stating, you need to STOP!!!
In this forum, your "opinion" is not fact and the purpose of this forum is to present factual information and answers to legitimate questions.
When I am at the line, and the light turns green, and there are cars running the red light in front of me, sometimes I do lose my cool and honk at them. Is this illegal?
Yeah I dont get when people get mad because they get pulled over. Me I have never raised my voice or cussed at a officer. I figure if I am speeding and I get caught it is my fault so why blame the officer. Shoot one time I was even search along with my car and I was joking the whole time with the officers. I got a ticked a couple months ago for going 101 in a 70 and I was very polite. The officer was to seeming he could of taken me to jail and he was very quick. Course the fact I am a corrects officer probley helped. And a sugestion is to be honest because I have gotten off of many tickets one including going 33 in a school zone and doing 52 in a 35.
You don't seem to have a lot of experience with the pricing however. Lockheed Martin's system costs a FORTUNE and then you have to yield 60% of ticket revenue back to them.
The city of temecula, ca, recently found it cheaper to hire two additional full time officers, which they did and bannjed red light cameras.
I live there i - i fought a ticket i got one day in the rain, I got cuaght in that area of go or no go and remembered that was one of the intersections that had a camera on it. This was 2 years ago. So i start to brake realizing i was not going to stop becuase i started to slide and went through it. I fought it in court and won with the actual photo's they took- kinda strange. They are now gone thank god!
There is an intersection in oceanside that has a camera on it that is very sensetive-- I found out by a friend who is a cop down there if you go flying up to the light when it is red and stop really hard at the line it will take a picture- he showed me pics of him doing that in his squad car. He was waving and smiling too it was classic!
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Certainly true...Many people fail to understand that cops are assigned to different things. The ones who pull you over and write tickets are assigned to pull people over and write tickets. It's the ultimate symbol of stupidity and ignorance when someone tells a cop they should be fighting more significant crimes.
all i have to say is wait while the cop writes you ticket, be nice smile and deal with the ticket because if u do otherwise you wont get over it for a while and it will make things a whole lot worse!
we have those stupid cameras wher i live and the local gang bangers get drunk ever saturday night and try to shho as many of them as possible, its funny but just cost tax payers even more!
I live in the great state of Virginia with those nice big fines for speeding now. What DixieStang said about being nice to the officer writing the ticket is the best way to go. My lawyer was able to get my reckless driving ticket 86 in a 65 reduced to 9 over and reckless dropped because I was not a jerk towards the cop. I didn't have any reason to be mad at him, he was doing his job and I shouldn't have been going that fast. It's not the officer's fault when you break the law and get pulled over.
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a cop once told me ... i dont get mad all the times i dont catch you speeding or driving reckless so dont get mad at me the one time i catch you!!! i was 19 and learned a lesson!now 26 and know better! so if i get caught itz my fault and i'm man enough to assume responsesibilities for my actions and decisions!man up guyz!!
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