ok so last week i got in a wreck, and it was just me.. dont ask how but it was just one of those freak things where everything was right for it to happen.. anyways, no one was around when it happened so when the cop gets there he gives me a ticket for "operating a vehicle at a speed greater than reasonable" i wasnt speeding or anything and it was dry outside and hadnt snowed or rained in idk how long. is he allowed to give me a ticket for literally no reason?
It isn't "no reason" you were doing something that caused the collision, and you were the only party involved. Generally under those circumstances the Primary Collision Factor (PCF) is a violation of the prima facie speed law (which is almost universal among the states).
I have cited the same section in solo vehicle accidents...
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ok so last week i got in a wreck, and it was just me.. dont ask how but it was just one of those freak things where everything was right for it to happen.. anyways, no one was around when it happened so when the cop gets there he gives me a ticket for "operating a vehicle at a speed greater than reasonable" i wasnt speeding or anything and it was dry outside and hadnt snowed or rained in idk how long. is he allowed to give me a ticket for literally no reason?
Sounds like you spun out. I did the same thing when I had my '97 GT, exact same conditions but no ticket. And LEO's aren't stupid, most of the time they know EXACTLY what you were doing to wreck.
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There is no such thing as an "Accident", only a crash. If you lost control of your car and crashed, regardless of if it was into another car or just into a ditch, someone was at fault. Since you were the only car involved, you were involved.
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ok so last week i got in a wreck, and it was just me.. dont ask how but it was just one of those freak things where everything was right for it to happen.. anyways, no one was around when it happened so when the cop gets there he gives me a ticket for "operating a vehicle at a speed greater than reasonable" i wasnt speeding or anything and it was dry outside and hadnt snowed or rained in idk how long. is he allowed to give me a ticket for literally no reason?
Don't misunderstand "a speed greater than resonable" for exceeding the speed limit. The officer wrote that because you were probably driving at a speed that was too great for whatever the conditions were that were "right for it to happen" (your words).
Those damn deer always run right out in front of you at the most inopportune times. Like in the middle of a turn. So you spin out from hard braking. While driving under the speed limit.
ok so last week i got in a wreck, and it was just me.. dont ask how but it was just one of those freak things where everything was right for it to happen.. anyways, no one was around when it happened so when the cop gets there he gives me a ticket for "operating a vehicle at a speed greater than reasonable" i wasnt speeding or anything and it was dry outside and hadnt snowed or rained in idk how long. is he allowed to give me a ticket for literally no reason?
In California, it's speed unsafe for conditions. I haven't read the section you were cited at, but it sounds close by what you posted. Obviously your speed was unsafe for conditions, otherwise you would not have wrecked.
Example: a car is stopped in front of you at a red light, but you fail to notice it and continue going 20 in a 25. At the last minute, you hit your brakes, and (slowly) collide into the rear of the car at 5 mph. You were still going at speed unsafe for conditions, you should have been going zero (a complete stop), not 5 mph into someone's rear bumper. Or you can look at as you shouldn't have been going 20 mph (in this scenario) that close to someone at red light. Either way, unsafe.
BTW, I've never lost in court when citing for "unsafe speed" on accidents I did not physically on-view. Then again, I don't know how the judges are over there and what vehicle code they prefer you to be cited on if different.
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One of the guys on here basically guessed it, I was getting on the highway, the on ramp is a short s turn and after I got out of the turn I started to accelerate and thus when my car lost traction and I lost control... Keep in mind that I was driving an 01 gt... In 3rd gear at maybe 45-50 when traction broke. I was maybe in it half throttle, but the next day a friend of mine went on that on ramp and noticed that there is a dip right where my car lost traction.. He had to stop and look at the road to even notice it
People don't crash for no reason and if he sees you have a quick car, what do you expect his conclusion to be? I hydroplaned over a curb on freshly paved road after being caught in the rain on dr's in my cobra.. about 30sec from my house. The firetruck came, made sure I was ok, and then told me to wait for the officer before leaving. I waited 20mins and then got a ticket lol! I fought it in court and got the fine dropped and driver school took care of the points. Just take it as lesson learned and don't have it happen again
And LEO's aren't stupid, most of the time they know EXACTLY what you were doing to wreck.
I would imagine most LEO's aren't clairvoyant, so they probably don't know exactly what you were doing to wreck unless they witnessed it. They can make guesses though, but a guess isn't proof of anything.
You might as well try to fight the ticket. There have been other people in these forums who have been ticketed the same way and had the ticket dismissed. Can't hurt to try.
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Very poor conditions. He asked me how fast I was going, I said between 35-40mph and he rolled his eyes and said at least 55.
Notice there's no tire marks to the left of the curb because I was sliding with 0 traction. Then in about 8 feet I completely change direction... obviously not 55+ mph lol
He said well there aren't a bunch of other cars ending up in ditches that night so obviously I shouldn't have unless I was driving carelessly. Obviously I fought it (w/ no lawyer.. mistake) but I can clearly see from his perspective that I should adjust my driving behavior based on the weather. Which I did... just not enough apparently
There is no such thing as an "Accident", only a crash. If you lost control of your car and crashed, regardless of if it was into another car or just into a ditch, someone was at fault. Since you were the only car involved, you were involved.
Standing with my on duty friend in Salem NH having a cup of JO next to his cruiser he said something similar as we watched 2 cars lose control on some black ice at low speed striking some parked cars. "have to write some tickets" He got in his cruiser, flipped on the lights and proceeded to lose control and join the rest of the incompetent in a now 5 car pileup. I still give him shit to this day. I know... I know.... Cool story.
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One of the guys on here basically guessed it, I was getting on the highway, the on ramp is a short s turn and after I got out of the turn I started to accelerate and thus when my car lost traction and I lost control... Keep in mind that I was driving an 01 gt... In 3rd gear at maybe 45-50 when traction broke. I was maybe in it half throttle, but the next day a friend of mine went on that on ramp and noticed that there is a dip right where my car lost traction.. He had to stop and look at the road to even notice it
If the dip is so small that your friend had to stop and get out of his car to notice it, then I highly doubt it was a causative factor in your crash. Depending on how sharp the curve is, and 45-50 in 3rd gear at half throttle is probably more the issue. Not flaming, just making an observation.
Edit: OP, the yellow "max safe speed" sign that is posted at the on/off ramps...what does it display on this particular ramp?
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40. I'm not sure exactly what speed I was going, but it was after the the S turn, it would be like coming out of a corner and right when u get back on the throttle after exiting a turn you hit something in the road and spin out.. I've taken the on ramp many times, and yes to be honest I have gone around it a little to fast once or twice, and never had a problem. I've even been behind a big van that took the turn/on ramp at about 65 and did just fine. The best way for y'all to really tell would be to see the road where it happened. I'll see if I can't get a pic like the guy did earlier
I don't need a pic, but post one if you'd like to. The 40 sign posted is the max SAFE speed for ANY conditions. That holds effect UNTIL you clear the last portion of the on/off ramp where the exit lane parallels the highway and becomes the acceleration/merge lane.
Yes, most ramps can be taken at higher speeds during more favorable weather, BUT the max safe speed is still the max safe speed in the eye of the law. Unfortunately for you, you were fairly written for the appropriate charge.
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If the road conditions are poor then the driver needs to adjust his speed to accommodate for that. That is one reason for the ticket "too fast for road conditions." Also, if it were a hidden danger in the road there would be documented cases of multiple accidents in this same spot leading to the same type of wreck.
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I ave been in a couple one cars wrecks. Both time I was written up for "failure to maintain proper control of my vehicle". So there is more than one option to be written for. Either way just pay the ticket or do the class and move on. You are guilty of one or the other by your own admission.
Gotta face it: a crash, no matter what the reason, is a violation, and will most likely generate a ticket - to somebody. The OP was the only party, so he gets the ticket. Having a crash is against the law, is perhaps another way to put it.
I will never understand getting ticketed for a deer strike, 'tho.
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