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i was at the dyno yesterday (thanks brent and frank from DTP) and while i was running my car we got a 192 fault. (fuel pressure low output) (low output on the data log as well). we reset the tune and cleared everything and tried again very carfully. as we were data logging my car we noticed my fuel pressure fluctuating pretty severe. it was going form 39 psi in the lines to 45psi at WOT (norm from what i was told) but would fall to 33 psi at some points and the lowest 31.8 psi!!! none of this stayed at those psi's long at all. looked like a wave (more like spikes). my tuner said this is not common but looks like my pumps are not doing so hot. we put a safe tune back on and watched it again. still doing it but without a code. anyone have an idea whats going on?
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will post pick of my air fuel when i get home you can see it spike because of the output... thanks again
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Not sure what your future plans are for the car but you would be good with a Kenne Bell Boost-a-pump. I'm running the stock fuel system with a BAP, and making 592/563 on pump gas with an 11.8 AFR. The BAP is a much easier install, it will more than serve the purpose for what you need with your Eaton and can still be used later down the road with GT Pumps, PPRV delete, and upgraded FPDM when/if you decide to go twin screw. You can pick up a BAP for about $200.00 and install it in about 1-2 hours. Dropping the tank can be a

Or you can just go with new fuel goodies and not have to worry about it down the road. Just my two cents from right up the street.
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Not sure what your future plans are for the car but you would be good with a Kenne Bell Boost-a-pump. I'm running the stock fuel system with a BAP, and making 592/563 on pump gas with an 11.8 AFR. The BAP is a much easier install, it will more than serve the purpose for what you need with your Eaton and can still be used later down the road with GT Pumps, PPRV delete, and upgraded FPDM when/if you decide to go twin screw. You can pick up a BAP for about $200.00 and install it in about 1-2 hours. Dropping the tank can be a

Or you can just go with new fuel goodies and not have to worry about it down the road. Just my two cents from right up the street.
thanks but not sure if the problem is my pumps in the first place
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Well then a few other things you can check before dropping the tank is the fuel filter and the fuel rail pressure regulator/sensor. You FRPS should raise your fuel pressure 1:1 with boost. The FRPS' are known to go bad.
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Currently experiencing the same thing with my Cobra.

Here's a log showing the A/F during a 3rd gear pull shifting into 4th. You can see I'm getting a lean spike. I also plotted the pressure drop across injectors for the same run and was surprised to see that it is constantly varying...

By the way, I went WOT at the 4th second and you can see I'm maxing out the stock fuel setup towards the end of 4th gear as pressure is slowly going down...



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Well then a few other things you can check before dropping the tank is the fuel filter and the fuel rail pressure regulator/sensor. You FRPS should raise your fuel pressure 1:1 with boost. The FRPS' are known to go bad.
thaNKS never thought of the frps!!!
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if the frps was bad, your car would run like crap all the time. Yes, no?
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if the frps was bad, your car would run like crap all the time. Yes, no?
thats what i dont understand
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Here is a little Code P0192 info I found:

OBDC II Diagnostic Trouble Codes

Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Descriptions
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P0192 - Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor Circuit Low Input (FRP)

The comprehensive component monitor (CCM) monitors the FRP sensor circuit to the PCM for low voltage. If voltage were to fall below a calibrated limit and amount of time during testing, the test will fail. FRP signal shorted to SIG RTN or PWR GND.
FRP signal open (NG only)
Low fuel pressure (NG only)
Damaged FRP sensor.
Damaged PCM.
A FRP PID value during KOER or KOEO less than 0.3 volts for gasoline or 0.5 volts for natural gas vehicles (NG) would indicate a hard fault.
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Make sure you alt. is putting good volts out also.


How come I never see you guys at car get togethers in Hampton roads?
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I was at the Bass Pro Shop in Hampton this weekend. That was apparently the last show they will be doing there because of BPS new management. I frequent Jenro's in Va. Beach. Nice ass run by the way

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Here is a little Code P0192 info I found:

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P0192 - Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor Circuit Low Input (FRP)

The comprehensive component monitor (CCM) monitors the FRP sensor circuit to the PCM for low voltage. If voltage were to fall below a calibrated limit and amount of time during testing, the test will fail. FRP signal shorted to SIG RTN or PWR GND.
FRP signal open (NG only)
Low fuel pressure (NG only)
Damaged FRP sensor.
Damaged PCM.
A FRP PID value during KOER or KOEO less than 0.3 volts for gasoline or 0.5 volts for natural gas vehicles (NG) would indicate a hard fault.
not following... i just ordered (for the future and maybe to cover this problem) and mod fpdm, 60 lbs, and twin gt pumps. would this fix it...
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not following... i just ordered (for the future and maybe to cover this problem) and mod fpdm, 60 lbs, and twin gt pumps. would this fix it...
Basically what my post is telling you is that a damaged FRP sensor or PCM computer can cause your code.

Make sure you get the PPRV delete also. http://www.svtsnake.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23833

I would also order a FRP sensor just in case. You can read all over the forums about guys popping them after high rpm runs. Always good to have a spare if yours is not the problem.
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I would also order a FRP sensor just in case. You can read all over the forums about guys popping them after high rpm runs. Always good to have a spare if yours is not the problem.
where is a good price one i can get? thanks for the info sorry i didnt run up to see chris for the tune... how did it go
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If you can wait about 3 days for shipping, call Tousley Ford. 1-800-328-9552 ask for Steve or Kevin in parts. Tell them you got there number on SVTP. You can't beat them for ford replacement parts. 10% over cost. Example: I bought (4) O2 sensors from Kimnach Ford in Norfolk for $335.00. I got the same (4) O2 sensors from Kevin for $220.00 shipped to my door and took the others back. I bought my GT pumps, O2 sensors, and a few other things.
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If you can wait about 3 days for shipping, call Tousley Ford. 1-800-328-9552 ask for Steve or Kevin in parts. Tell them you got there number on SVTP. You can't beat them for ford replacement parts. 10% over cost. Example: I bought (4) O2 sensors from Kimnach Ford in Norfolk for $335.00. I got the same (4) O2 sensors from Kevin for $220.00 shipped to my door and took the others back. I bought my GT pumps, O2 sensors, and a few other things.
thanks how much are these (late just wondering)
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I think they are about $70-80.
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I was at the Bass Pro Shop in Hampton this weekend. That was apparently the last show they will be doing there because of BPS new management. I frequent Jenro's in Va. Beach. Nice ass run by the way

I saw your car there. I showed up around 2000 in a Redfire Cobra. BTW sucks you're having issues with your car Charged.
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ttt i dont have a alt pully with my 4 lb lower could his do that???
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ttt i dont have a alt pully with my 4 lb lower could his do that???
I doubt it, just keep in mind that voltage and fuel availability go hand in hand. For example when my efan was running my FPDC used to go up 6-7% with my other alternator.
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ttt i dont have a alt pully with my 4 lb lower could his do that???
Def make sure your volts don't drop on WOT pulls, due to a weak Alt.
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ttt thanks for the replies keep em coming
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