also, i haven't dealt with livernois, but you might want to do a bit of reading before buying their heads. there was a thread (i think on modfords) where a guy got their heads and flow benched them, they came up quite a bit short of what was claimed for cfm flow. not trash talking, just looking out.
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I've thought about cams in the past and most of the guys here, in the know, thought our cams are pretty damned good as is. Spend money on other mods was the general consensus
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Last edited by firemanmike; 05-07-2009 at 10:22 PM.
also, i haven't dealt with livernois, but you might want to do a bit of reading before buying their heads. there was a thread (i think on modfords) where a guy got their heads and flow benched them, they came up quite a bit short of what was claimed for cfm flow. not trash talking, just looking out.
I also remember that thread perfectly. From what I understand, they sent him the wrong heads.
I personally know of 2 people that just had their heads fully ported by Livernois and they both flow benched them and they exceeded the advertise results by a significant amount! They were extremely impressed and needless to say happy. I will be sending my heads out to them when it's time and also have them do me up one nasty turbo grind cam!
Yea just put some Crower Stage 3s in my car and love the idle but the driveability is kind of a PITA and cold start is a lil annoying. Still workin on the tune with Rick but the car does pull way harder!!!
so, does that mean stay at a stage II or lower or would a III be ok?
Honestly, IMO, if you're going to do cams, please make them aggressive like you want. What's the point in doing something besides what you want to do because they'll wear out a little quicker?
On the second thought, this really only applies to me. You want driveability which means that you should probably go with a custom grind cam with a lot less lift than what I was intending on getting. Don't go with a stage 2 out of the box cam. Get one made to fit your application specifically so that you will have the best power gains and driveability.
Here's an idea, let's make a list of who actually makes custom cams for 4V's. It should be noted as well what type of service the company we mention offers. The reason I say this is because I know there are companies out there that can make a camshaft to your exact order (such as duration and lift), but I myself do not know enough about camshafts to actually specify the grind, so that isn't an option for me. I need someone without enough know-how to make a camshaft suited to my setup.
Anyways I think I know of a few so I'll get the ball rolling:
Not sure about these cars, but with 5.0's it wasn't the lift that made them have poor driveability. I was the duration. I've got a long way to go before I'd consider cams, but after my experience with my 5.0, and some of my friends, they sound great and makes the car rev faster through the rpm range, but driveability was kinda a PITA.
I have talked to several people that have stage III's and they have no issues.,., I was wanna do custom cams, which should be more suited to my car hence less issues anyway
2,3,4v mustangs are bout the only cars I haven't done aftermarket cams in, so on any aftermarket cam do you have to replace springs and retainers and all the hardware?? Some cars require them and some dont what bout ours??
I have talked to several people that have stage III's and they have no issues.,., I was wanna do custom cams, which should be more suited to my car hence less issues anyway
i am getting custom cams now from l and m designed for my blower that should kick ass i will let everyone know how they are when i get installed!
Hopefully in a couple months my new build will be complete and my personal plan is to install 98 Cobra intake cams with the stock exhaust cams and properly degree them. I would really like a custom set, but they are a bit too steep for my budget.
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If it has tits or wheels, it will cause you problems.
Remember the name Stage III is just a name. IIRC the Comp Cams Stage III is about equal to the Crower Stage IVs. you have to look at the specs not just the name. Also there are Stage III N/A cams, Stage III Blower cams, and Stage III Turbo cams.
Not all Stage IIIs are created equal.
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I went crower stage IV... Love them, driveability doesnt really suck like everyone says either. The sound is great, they make more power (3000+). Expensive but a great mod in my books!
I went crower stage IV... Love them, driveability doesnt really suck like everyone says either. The sound is great, they make more power (3000+). Expensive but a great mod in my books!
damn!! I didn't know they made stage IV's how much $??
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