does getting your engine built add HP?? what does getting ur engine built consist of?? and while its getting built should i put in new comp cams? im not to sure what the purpose in changing cams is so could someone enlighten me on that? do cams add HP? im looking to get the engine built to support the TT compound boost setup from Hellion Power Systems, pushing over 900 rwhp on 2004 Cobra.
does getting your engine built add HP?? what does getting ur engine built consist of?? and while its getting built should i put in new comp cams? im not to sure what the purpose in changing cams is so could someone enlighten me on that? do cams add HP? im looking to get the engine built to support the TT compound boost setup from Hellion Power Systems, pushing over 900 rwhp on 2004 Cobra.
-thanks for the help
That's an open ended question. Rebuilding an engine to stock consist of new bearings, rings, oil pump and have it all balanced no, that does not add HP. Technically yes, you can put cams in but really you need to choose ones that go with your setup. Cams have different profiles for different applications. If your looking for compound boost, call Hellion to see which cams would be the best for your setup. Call MMR about a good shorblock for that particular setup.
im looking to push over 900 rwhp...what do i need to get dont to the stock motor to support that much power...thats all im really trying to figure out. thank you for the advice, i didnt think about calling hellion about the cams
im looking to push over 900 rwhp...what do i need to get dont to the stock motor to support that much power...thats all im really trying to figure out. thank you for the advice, i didnt think about calling hellion about the cams
There is a bunch of guys running that much power on a bone stock long block. Its really all in the tune and how much abuse give it, how much RPM's it will see etc. What are your goals with the car besides power? Will it be a street/strip car, street car with hitting the track ones in a while or a track car?
My name is Ron and im having houston performance build a complete 5.1 stroker with all the goodies. I told Steve what i wanted to do with the car and they are doing custom grind on there cams. They can probably help with what u want to do. They build the race engines for Dave Guy of sgs performance. They are both very good places to deal with.
There is a bunch of guys running that much power on a bone stock long block. Its really all in the tune and how much abuse give it, how much RPM's it will see etc. What are your goals with the car besides power? Will it be a street/strip car, street car with hitting the track ones in a while or a track car?
it is going to be a street/strip car. my goal is to run low 10's high 9's at the track, and play around with bikes on the street. it will be my DD so i want to do everything to protect myself from blowing anything up. im getting the hellion TT+SC compound boost setup and everyone i talked to about it said i should get my motor built first. and i dont know what getting a motor built consists of. is it cams, pistons, crank, heads...etc?? im just guessing.
it is going to be a street/strip car. my goal is to run low 10's high 9's at the track, and play around with bikes on the street. it will be my DD so i want to do everything to protect myself from blowing anything up. im getting the hellion TT+SC compound boost setup and everyone i talked to about it said i should get my motor built first. and i dont know what getting a motor built consists of. is it cams, pistons, crank, heads...etc?? im just guessing.
Good luck with a 900rwhp DD! If you are looking for reliability and streetability a 900rwhp car is not the ideal candidate.
Now as for your question, rebuilding does not always yield more power. It can if you increase the compression, bore out the cylinders, stroke the motor, sleeve the cylinders to go big bore allowing more cubes, all those by themselves and combined can increase power. As for cams you will want cams specific to your combination, particularly a custome grind. However, some people have made great power using the stock cams, as much as 800+rwhp using the stockers.
it is going to be a street/strip car. my goal is to run low 10's high 9's at the track, and play around with bikes on the street. it will be my DD so i want to do everything to protect myself from blowing anything up. im getting the hellion TT+SC compound boost setup and everyone i talked to about it said i should get my motor built first. and i dont know what getting a motor built consists of. is it cams, pistons, crank, heads...etc?? im just guessing.
If its a DD and want to run bikes then I wouldn't do the Eaton/turbo setup. Your just going to burn the tires off. Go turbo, atleast that you can control the spin better. You can do all of this without even pulling the heads off. As long as its tuned very safe you will be good.
Good luck with a 900rwhp DD! If you are looking for reliability and streetability a 900rwhp car is not the ideal candidate.
Now as for your question, rebuilding does not always yield more power. It can if you increase the compression, bore out the cylinders, stroke the motor, sleeve the cylinders to go big bore allowing more cubes, all those by themselves and combined can increase power. As for cams you will want cams specific to your combination, particularly a custome grind. However, some people have made great power using the stock cams, as much as 800+rwhp using the stockers.
one of my Marines has a 2003 cobra running 947rwhp on a TT setup that is his daily driver. he hasn't had any problems with it. he has had it since we got back from Iraq last may 2008. i want the TT+SC setup for the low end power from the eaton and the high end power from the turbos.
will the builder know how to grind the cams for my spacific setup or will i have to call hellion and see if they offer cams?
one of my Marines has a 2003 cobra running 947rwhp on a TT setup that is his daily driver. he hasn't had any problems with it. he has had it since we got back from Iraq last may 2008. i want the TT+SC setup for the low end power from the eaton and the high end power from the turbos.
will the builder know how to grind the cams for my spacific setup or will i have to call hellion and see if they offer cams?
Ok what ever you say. I dont know of anyone personally that has a 650rwhp daily driver let alone a 947rwhp daily driver. As for the custome cams your engine builder should spec them out for you, or contact a builder that has had alot of experience in specing out cams for modular ford engines. Once they spec the cams then you will need them made by a company that makes cams such as Comp Cams, Crower, etc.
one of my Marines has a 2003 cobra running 947rwhp on a TT setup that is his daily driver.
that sounds like a headache waiting to happen !!!!!
I almost hated my 2000 GT when it made 708 RWHP on a centri blower becasue it was my DD.
all the parts you'll need to make that happen and hold together will basically turn your ride into a pile of aftermarket parts which isn't known for DD reliability.
from what I read turbos are high maitenence set ups.
not trying to be rude but based on your post you dont seem like you have that much knowledge about this stuff and if you can't turn any of your own wrenches on a project like this you'll be headed for even more compounded frustration with the car plus tons of money on repairs, upkeep and all the annoying day to day issues that will come up.
You should build the motor and put a huge blower on it with NOS
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TT + Eaton / TS = GAY. Do a big Single or TT's .. or slap a 3.4L whipple with a crusher on a built motor with 25+ psi for street and hit it with a 150 shot for play time should get you in that 900whp mark on race gas. The compound boost ideal is not practical and is more expensive and causes more heat.
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I've decided to go with just the Twin turbos and sell the eaton. im still getting my engine built first to be on the safe side. btw i can turn all my wrenches i just dont know everything ther is to know about engines let alone have the equiptment to do the bigger things. everyone learns as they go.
I've decided to go with just the Twin turbos and sell the eaton. im still getting my engine built first to be on the safe side. btw i can turn all my wrenches i just dont know everything ther is to know about engines let alone have the equiptment to do the bigger things. everyone learns as they go.
These motors are very finicky, if you are not experienced with them, they will get ****ed up. I did all the work on the 5.0 but i will not dive into the internals of a mod motor. Look for a reputable shop in your area, go there and watch them, and ask questions. As for cams, get custom ground. many companies make them, ask your tuner. Also i hope you understand the price it will be, expect to spend atleast $15,000 setting your car up for TT, and a built motor. 947 and DD should not be used in the same sentence, the cams alone would have that thing loping and barely idling. best of luck with your setup and keep us posted.
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you said its a dd are you planning on running race fuel or meth??
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The track doesn't allow running bikes, I hope you plan on more then 93 pump for those street runs. I hope you drive this thing on low boost for a good long while, it doesn't sound like you've done to many 150+ trap cars in your past.
It should be noted to run high 9's 900whp is not needed, to race big bikes from a roll yes. It's always debatable as to how streetable a caged, legal 9 sec 900whp car is. I don't think it is.
Dont believe every thing you see on youtube. IIRC that car also competed in 06 KOTS. What constitutes a DD? Can you imagine the maintenence involved in a 800+rwhp car that is being daily driven? How about blowing through tires and having to run expensive drag radials 100% of the time because thats the only way that car can get any traction on the street. How about running $8 gallon high octane fuel every time you fill up. How about getting caught in the rain or snow with 800rwhp. How about the never ending problems and upgrades that take place when you are running that level of horse power on a set up that is far from the factory set up. I would bet that car is an every other weekend car, with the "ability" to drive it every day, but it is not driven every day. Not to mention even the best built engines will have a hard time lasting 50k miles with 800+rwhp. So expect your DD to get a rebuilt engine every few years.
Not trying to sway you from building a 800rwhp monster, but you have to face the reality of it. You gotta pay to play and at those levels you will be paying alot alot of the time.
You said legal, I'm curious what makes it legal? The fact that it is able to pass a visual inspection- nope that's not it. Must be track legal with the proper cage and chute... Didn't notice them in the vids. But I could care less.
Isn't it amazing how someone who comes asking "what is a built motor" now knows for a fact that we are wrong...you know it's a conspiracy we don't want you to have a faster street car then us.
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These motors are low compression motors that make power with boost. Depending how you drive I would guess one's motor would spend 70-80% of its life under normal driving conditions so why wouldnt it last. If someone wants 900rwhp and doesnt beat the snot out of it on a daily basis...why not. Just my .02.
with that much power, the only thing faster than your 900rwhp DD, will be the withdrawls from your bankaccount. Tires are going to go so fast lol
900rwhp is also NOT fun in rain, snow, lots of leaves, any type of non-perfect condition.
more power to u, if u do it tho...just gunna be a lot of $
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You said legal, I'm curious what makes it legal? The fact that it is able to pass a visual inspection- nope that's not it. Must be track legal with the proper cage and chute... Didn't notice them in the vids. But I could care less.
Isn't it amazing how someone who comes asking "what is a built motor" now knows for a fact that we are wrong...you know it's a conspiracy we don't want you to have a faster street car then us.
wow where did that come from. i didnt say anyone was wrong
Good luck with a 900rwhp DD! If you are looking for reliability and streetability a 900rwhp car is not the ideal candidate. 
he has had it since we got back from Iraq last may 2008. i want the TT+SC setup for the low end power from the eaton and the high end power from the turbos.
I dont know of anyone personally that has a 650rwhp daily driver let alone a 947rwhp daily driver. As for the custome cams your engine builder should spec them out for you, or contact a builder that has had alot of experience in specing out cams for modular ford engines. Once they spec the cams then you will need them made by a company that makes cams such as Comp Cams, Crower, etc.
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