the motor is just a new Ford GT block...completly built head and cam work...no stroke or anything..
We all know Joe is gonna get upset that its not fast enough when he runs another bike. Why didnt they just bore the motor out now? Its bound to happen sooner or later. Then he could be around 1300-1500hp and practically untouchable. I wanna see some slicks on and have it run at the track. Can anyone say 8's?
We all know Joe is gonna get upset that its not fast enough when he runs another bike. Why didnt they just bore the motor out now? Its bound to happen sooner or later. Then he could be around 1300-1500hp and practically untouchable. I wanna see some slicks on and have it run at the track. Can anyone say 8's?
The last thing you'd want to do for more power as far as a 5.4 is concerned is bore it out. All you'd be doing is killing the integrity of the design (less gasket sealing area, weaker block, etc.) for a few more inches. When you're dealing with forced induction the easiest way to make more power is to use a larger blower, turbo, or turbos.
Mihovetz has made 2000HP with twin 72s on a 4.6, the 5.4 is far from tapped.
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They make three flavors of the Saleen S7 TT...They also have much more traction due to larger tires and much better aerodynamics than the FGT
Bzzzzz....Wrong. The S7TT does not have more traction than Joe's car the way he has run it on the street. The S7TT weighs so much less that it has almost no chance of putting it's power down on the tires it comes on. I'm not sure what aerodynamics would have to do with traction.
And yes, I have been in both of these cars at WOT.
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It seems like the traction limitatons of Ford gt tt, viper tt, lingenfelter tt, and saleen s7 tt, will really limit the ability of these cars to pull hard out of the hole.
The great times some vipers put down at 1/4 tracks have been on 15" diameter wrinkle wall slicks. The GT's rear control arms get in the way of rims smaller than 18" diameter. I don't think th GT will be able to get great 60 ft times unless rear tires can be used that grip better than 18" drag radials.
Cars using drag radials can make fast times, but the rim diameter needs to shrink to 15" so that sidewall flex can be used for traction.
You's thinkin right. I don't think you'll ever see the GT pull any of the crazy 8 second times a car like the Viper can because it's not suited for it. The chassis is easily taking the crazy power amounts, but you're not gonna be running 7.99@177 on Hoosier road race tires...
Big time money producing big time power...Hey LeoGSVT, did your friend Joe earn the money for that car himself? I remember reading about his car on another forum and a lot of people were asking if he was just some rich kid or if he actually earned it himself...
WTF? Anyway its good that someone is willing to not only test a stock Ford GT but actually mod it to its most extreme. Isn't that what it's all about? So with the new set-up do you have any info what the HP/Tq is at the engine?
We all know Joe is gonna get upset that its not fast enough when he runs another bike. Why didnt they just bore the motor out now? Its bound to happen sooner or later. Then he could be around 1300-1500hp and practically untouchable. I wanna see some slicks on and have it run at the track. Can anyone say 8's?
Slicks wont fit on the GT because of the sizes made and the huge rear brakes. That's what I was told at least......
I'll get the owner to post on here when the other TT GT is running at the track. It will more than likely be Gainesville, but only one solid run because of the 11.5 rule. Of course if you can't make it, video will be provided
Bzzzzz....Wrong. The S7TT does not have more traction than Joe's car the way he has run it on the street. The S7TT weighs so much less that it has almost no chance of putting it's power down on the tires it comes on. I'm not sure what aerodynamics would have to do with traction.
And yes, I have been in both of these cars at WOT.
I'm not talking about from a dig. I'm talking about from a roll. Neither of these cars would be able to hook from a dig without drag radials. The Saleen is a ground effects car. It can theoretically glue itself to the ceiling above 160 mph. The faster the car goes, the more traction it has. It comes stock with 345 mm tires if I'm not mistaken. you could change those out to NT-01's or whatever Joe's car is running and have much better traction than Joe's car. The Saleen also has a top speed of 250+ mph. I don't see the GT, with it's much poorer aerodynamics, attaining that any time soon. As for racing bike, there are many turbo Hayabusa's that would murder any of the cars we have mentioned in this post, both in the quarter mile and in top speed (given a crazy enough driver/rider). Nate
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I'm not talking about from a dig. I'm talking about from a roll. Neither of these cars would be able to hook from a dig without drag radials. The Saleen is a ground effects car. It can theoretically glue itself to the ceiling above 160 mph. The faster the car goes, the more traction it has. It comes stock with 345 mm tires if I'm not mistaken. you could change those out to NT-01's or whatever Joe's car is running and have much better traction than Joe's car. The Saleen also has a top speed of 250+ mph. I don't see the GT, with it's much poorer aerodynamics, attaining that any time soon. As for racing bike, there are many turbo Hayabusa's that would murder any of the cars we have mentioned in this post, both in the quarter mile and in top speed (given a crazy enough driver/rider). Nate
Am I reading this correctly? You don't think Joe's GT can hit 250mph?
It can theoretically glue itself to the ceiling above 160 mph. The faster the car goes, the more traction it has.
An S7 has never been tested over 250(that I know of; I've only seen that it has 223mph in it's 6th gear redline), but that's beside the point. You're not spinning your tires at 170mph in either of these cars. Whether or not the car produces a lot of downforce at 160mph, that's not going to contribute to accelerative force at that point, because the car is long hooked. If there isn't any slip occurring in the first place, the mechanical and aerodynamic forces that aid acceleration during slip is moot.
As for the ultimate speed, my GT has easily sailed past 200mph pulling at an appreciable rate with a pulley only(5th Gear, didn't look at RPM). Given more road I'm confident it would go 220. I've got a friend in Italy with the same who has pegged the speedo at 220. I have no reason to doubt him. And I've got in-car video using racelogic equipment at Nardo of the car pulling 211.89mph with the stock power. I think 1200rwhp would be good for 250+.
As for racing bike, there are many turbo Hayabusa's that would murder any of the cars we have mentioned in this post, both in the quarter mile and in top speed (given a crazy enough driver/rider). Nate
You're not taking into consideration the aerodynamics of a bike. They arent as good as a cars like this, i.e the R&T 1 mile test with the MV Augusta; it was severely limited by aero at like 175 wasnt it?. But I really dont know, I would bet a turbo Huyabusa could hit 230 no ploblem with the power it has, its just stability and control at that point that I would be afraid of.
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The MV is weaksauce compared to a 300-500 HP Turbo Hayabusa in terms of power and possibly even aerodynamics. There are multiple videos of turbo Haybusa's running 230-250 mph with no sweat.
In that R&T standing mile test the 750 HP S7 kicked the crap out of the stock GT. It passed the mile around 1000 ft ahead and 25 mph faster than the GT. Given a 1000 HP GT and a 1000 HP S7, the S7 will come out ahead every time. The mfr. estimate for the 750 HP Saleen is 248 mph (drag limited). I have no doubt the 1000 HP model will hit or eclipse that.
I have also found many quarter mile figures (10.5 @ 145 mph) for the saleen and only one video in which Joe attempted to commit automotive suicide with his beautiful car.
I feel the S7TT is quicker, faster, better around corners/braking zones, and better to look at. That is my opinion and I'm stickin with it. I love the GT but for 3-4 times the price, the Saleen should, and does win in this supercar battle royale.
A Hayabusa's speedo will be wildly innacurate at that speed. Again, that's beside the point.
I'm not sure what stock performance has to do with any of this. A 750 crank horsepower car that weighs 2900 lbs is going to be faster than a 575 crank hp car that weighs 3400 pounds. This is not news.
But it a race in the real world outside of a magazine or estimate, Joe's car is going to roll the S7TT hard, in any variation you're going to get from Saleen. Like I said, I've been in both of these cars and Joe's car is just faster. I'll ask Steve exactly how fast the TT has been next time I see him...
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The MV is weaksauce compared to a 300-500 HP Turbo Hayabusa in terms of power and possibly even aerodynamics. There are multiple videos of turbo Haybusa's running 230-250 mph with no sweat.
DBK, where are you pulling all this extra horsepower from? 1000HP + lighter, more aerodynamic car beats 1000HP + heavier, less aerodynamic car every time. Unless you can show me some numbers that a GT is more aerodynamic than an S7, I'm calling bunk on your, "I've ridden in both at different times" logic. Nate
That makes a HUGE difference above 200 mph. That is why the standard S7 with 550 HP will blow the standard GT with 550 HP away in acceleration and top speed. Nate.
DBK, where are you pulling all this extra horsepower from? 1000HP + lighter, more aerodynamic car beats 1000HP + heavier, less aerodynamic car every time. Unless you can show me some numbers that a GT is more aerodynamic than an S7, I'm calling bunk on your, "I've ridden in both at different times" logic. Nate
The GT is 1200rwhp. The S7TT is (at most) 1000 crank horsepower. That's more than a 300 crank horsepower gap(at least), and that's being optimistic on the driveline loss for the S7. Make it the 750 crank horsepower version and it's about 600 horsepower less. Not that complicated.
By the way, I was in the cars on the same day, back to back, within 30 minutes of each other.
That makes a HUGE difference above 200 mph. That is why the standard S7 with 550 HP will blow the standard GT with 550 HP away in acceleration and top speed. Nate.
.Cd is a marketers tool to fool mag racers. It's an indication of how slippery a given surface is. Absolute drag is what counts (true frontal area X .cd). This is why the GT with it's higher cd and ~525rwhp will go 212mph and why a C6 Z06 is drag limited to 198mph with a .31 cd.. I don't think you understand aerodynamics.
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