I haven't seen any full bolt on only Cobra's (as in LT's, CAI, Tune, midpipe, catback) put down 330HP.....that's pretty good if they are. Machs are generally 310-320.
My car was making 337/337 RWHP-TQ back in 2003 on a stock long block.
Mods:
WMS CAI w/S&B Filter
WMS 95mm MAF
Stock TB
Naz' Cut & Ported Intake
PHP Intake Spacer
JBA Shorty Headers
Dr. Gas X-Pipe
Magnaflow CB
AL Flywheel
AL DS
Meziere Electric Water Pump
U/D Alternator Pulley
Chris Johnson (JMS) Tune (26 Deg Timing ~13:1 AFR)
Motor was running very stong....but I hurt it on a top speed run while in Germany....doing ~7000RPMs in 5th gear with 4.30s it broke the passenger side exahust cam bolt, destroying the VT. Short block was ok, and later made 370ish RW with my lightly ported FR500 heads and FR500 cams and later made 410ish RW with the addtion of the FR500 intake.
The point made is that there are a quite a few making 330+ on bolt on's alone.
Mike, better to just let it go. Truth be told, We 99/01 owners were not blessed with the superior genetics of the 03/04 cobras and use our ego/attitude to make up for it. Our block may be stronger, but the pistons and rods are not. We still have a great platform for supercharging. These motors are good until 450 rwhp with the right tune maybe more maybe less. ChromeCobra's banana was a good example (even though a 98, basically same motor) He put down 450rwhp and could easily hold his own with Flatliner and his ported combo. There are not a lot of s/c 99/01s running around our area so he is the best example i could think of. Many of the eaton swapped 99/01s on this forum are also around the 450rwhp mark.
good to know, but really, only 450? i know 99-04 gts were only good to right around up there too. kinda sucks to hear the cobras cant do much better. and chromecobras old car is so money. by the way, i still have a convertible boot...
good to know, but really, only 450? i know 99-04 gts were only good to right around up there too. kinda sucks to hear the cobras cant do much better. and chromecobras old car is so money. by the way, i still have a convertible boot...
eh...some can push 500 depends on boost levels. A 99/01 cobra 450rwhp will be much more reliable than a GTs, and since our cobras respond much better to gears after that the competition is over. Again our pistons and rods not forged, neither are GTs, but our cranks are. Not 100% sure about this, but I think their blocks are done at 500hp, ours can go 2x that.
good to know, but really, only 450? i know 99-04 gts were only good to right around up there too. kinda sucks to hear the cobras cant do much better. and chromecobras old car is so money. by the way, i still have a convertible boot...
Its not matter of a GT or Cobra, the rods are the same POS powdered metal and hypercrappy pistons. The Cobra crank along with the block will hold massive HP and RPM where the GT will not. When equiped with forged rods/pistons the 96-01 Cobra's are stronger than Terminators.
Remember, Ford was not thinking FI when they designed the 96-01 Cobra's.
These motors when maintained the right way, they are very reliable and strong powerplants.
LOL, I think some healthy use of the ignore button would do everyone some good. Look, after a hard day of backstabbing their co-workers and running old ladies off the road, you had to know they'd eventually discover internet forums where they could crap on people to their hearts content. Try the ignore button, it's a beautiful thing.
Its not matter of a GT or Cobra, the rods are the same POS powdered metal and hypercrappy pistons. The Cobra crank along with the block will hold massive HP and RPM where the GT will not. When equiped with forged rods/pistons the 96-01 Cobra's are stronger than Terminators.
Remember, Ford was not thinking FI when they designed the 96-01 Cobra's.
These motors when maintained the right way, they are very reliable and strong powerplants.
Naz
thanks, lot more insightful than tellin me to shut my stupid mouth. whats the difference in blocks between 99/01 and 03/04 cobras?
Let's do our best to avoid the name calling and focus on contructive conversation.
Here is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The below graph contains the results from a 2004 Mach 1 VS a 2001 Cobra. Mods are almost identical except the Cobra has a stock intake and the Mach has a ported unit. Cold air intake, LT's, O/R X, Catback. I performed both of these dyno sessions on the same dyno. Notice how much more torque the Mach 1 delivers in the lower RPM range VS the Cobra. You can also see the Cobra shines a bit more in the top end. There is not the huge disparity found in the lower RPM's but if these two cars met on the street with equal drivers who punched it from a roll in fourth gear at low RPM, the Mach would kill the Cobra. Conversely, if two drivers met who knew how to drive, the Cobra would take the win because properly shifted DOHC cars rarely drop below 5300 RPM, when shifting at 6800.
Half a dozen one, six of another. It's a drivers race. They're both good cars.
That's a great example. There is a ever so slight advant. to the cobra in HP. I knew the hp curve for the cobra was 'longer' in the upper rpms. Thanks for posting that Tim.
I think we can all agree, if you like low-mid range TQ/grunt, get the mach, if you like roll racing/corner carving, the cobra....wait, I've heard that before. LOL
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Originally Posted by Nazman
My car was making 337/337 RWHP-TQ back in 2003 on a stock long block.
Mods:
WMS CAI w/S&B Filter
WMS 95mm MAF
Stock TB
Naz' Cut & Ported Intake
PHP Intake Spacer
JBA Shorty Headers
Dr. Gas X-Pipe
Magnaflow CB
AL Flywheel
AL DS
Meziere Electric Water Pump
U/D Alternator Pulley
Chris Johnson (JMS) Tune (26 Deg Timing ~13:1 AFR)
Motor was running very stong....but I hurt it on a top speed run while in Germany....doing ~7000RPMs in 5th gear with 4.30s it broke the passenger side exahust cam bolt, destroying the VT. Short block was ok, and later made 370ish RW with my lightly ported FR500 heads and FR500 cams and later made 410ish RW with the addtion of the FR500 intake.
The point made is that there are a quite a few making 330+ on bolt on's alone.
Thanks for posting that C. That's the first I've seen of a cobra going 330+. Granted I kind of contradicted myself and that's my fault as I said full bolt ons and then only listed about half possible. You have to admit your P/P intake helped a tad....(I personally dont' consider that a bolt on, although some do. LOL). Either way, nice numbers.
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Originally Posted by Riddla
Too bad an LS1 would rape both the cobra and mach
Uh.....come back to reality.
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Originally Posted by Double"O"
^^^ get your bitch ass back to the roadside or smackdown...we talk about cars in here not your boyfriend Obama
LOL....
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Originally Posted by tmhutch
LOL, I think some healthy use of the ignore button would do everyone some good. Look, after a hard day of backstabbing their co-workers and running old ladies off the road, you had to know they'd eventually discover internet forums where they could crap on people to their hearts content. Try the ignore button, it's a beautiful thing.
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Originally Posted by mike1284
thanks, lot more insightful than tellin me to shut my stupid mouth. whats the difference in blocks between 99/01 and 03/04 cobras?
The 99/01's had Teksids (well some of the 01s) which were Italian made Aluminum blocks. THe 03/04s are Cast Iron.
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i thought machs were the only ones with aluminum blocks
You come in here saying the motors are junk and you didn't even know the difference between 99-01 motors, 03-04 Cobra motors, and 03-04 Mach motors.....WOW
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Originally Posted by mike1284
i thought machs were the only ones with aluminum blocks
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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
You come in here saying the motors are junk and you didn't even know the difference between 99-01 motors, 03-04 Cobra motors, and 03-04 Mach motors.....WOW
Have to agree +1000000000000000000000000000000000000
You come in here saying the motors are junk and you didn't even know the difference between 99-01 motors, 03-04 Cobra motors, and 03-04 Mach motors.....WOW
still not over that huh? hope you havent lost sleep. i dont know every detail. like i said, i never owned a 99/01 cobra. you really are a god
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