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Old 11-14-2009, 01:55 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Those 99-01 cobra cams do even out the better head flow design of the newedge Mach1's!
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:18 AM   #27 (permalink)
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are there any ptv modifications needed to bolt on a set of 03/04 heads on a 99 shortblock with a set of fr500 cams?
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Old 11-16-2009, 07:39 AM   #28 (permalink)
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are there any ptv modifications needed to bolt on a set of 03/04 heads on a 99 shortblock with a set of fr500 cams?
No PTV issues with a stock shortblock and FR500 cams. The FR500 cam kits are no longer available...but I have one kit left if you're interested in getting one.
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Old 11-16-2009, 07:40 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Those 99-01 cobra cams do even out the better head flow design of the newedge Mach1's!
I don't understand what you mean.
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Here is the Dyno difference between the '01 heads and the '03 Mach 1 heads.

Same car, same dyno, same tune. Only changes are the cylinder heads and a Melling Billet Oil Pump. I can't imagine the oil pump making any real difference.

Note, the 2008 run is with the '01 heads and the 2009 run is with the '03 Mach 1 heads.

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interesting...I wonder if the margin would differ much under FI
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Same cams? What about the exhaust manifolds?

Interesting dyno graph. Thanks for sharing!

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interesting...I wonder if the margin would differ much under FI
The margin will increase with FI. The more power you make the wider that margin becomes. At 14.7 psi that margin should be nearly doubled.
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The margin will increase with FI. The more power you make the wider that margin becomes. At 14.7 psi that margin should be nearly doubled.
good info thanks. I wish I could of done some actual tests. I swapped to the 03/04 heads/cams when I did my build.
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Same cams? What about the exhaust manifolds?

Interesting dyno graph. Thanks for sharing!

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Yes, the same cams and manifolds were used for both Dyno runs.

The cams are GT supercar cams and the exhaust manifolds are Ford Racing Shorties with Magnaflow catted x-pipe with Magnaflow mufflers.
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The cams are GT supercar cams
The stock 99/01 or 96-98 cams probably would have made more power.

It does look like the 03/04 heads outperformed the 99/01 heads when just looking at the dyno graph, but there are a lot of variables in the heads that could result in mroe or less power. Those are combustion chamber size, valve sealing, and lash adjuster preload. A good valve job alone can increase over totally stock heads. Were the 99/01 heads fresh? Were the 03/04 heads milled? Then there are the dynos, they were done a year apart. The tune itself could have had more or less timing, a/f could have been more lean or rich, etc.

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The stock 99/01 or 96-98 cams probably would have made more power.

It does look like the 03/04 heads outperformed the 99/01 heads when just looking at the dyno graph, but there are a lot of variables in the heads that could result in mroe or less power. Those are combustion chamber size, valve sealing, and lash adjuster preload. A good valve job alone can increase over totally stock heads. Were the 99/01 heads fresh? Were the 03/04 heads milled? Then there are the dynos, they were done a year apart. The tune itself could have had more or less timing, a/f could have been more lean or rich, etc.
I am making no claims about which heads are better, I'm only posting my results. The 01 heads were stock with about 25k miles on them. The 03 heads had a minor clean up (mill). The tune had the same timing and the same moderately rich A/F of 12 - 12.5 thru 6500 rpms then 11.5 above 6500. The block is a 4.6L stock block bored 0.020" over with a stroker kit.

p.s. I didn't switch to 03 heads for the increased power but as a cost effective replacement to my 01 heads that got trashed when my oil pump died on track and f'd up my 01 heads.
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I am making no claims about which heads are better, I'm only posting my results. The 01 heads were stock with about 25k miles on them. The 03 heads had a minor clean up (mill). The tune had the same timing and the same moderately rich A/F of 12 - 12.5 thru 6500 rpms then 11.5 above 6500. The block is a 4.6L stock block bored 0.020" over with a stroker kit.
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