I don't buy it.. A stock 2003 EVO VIII weighs over 4000lbs man, even with decent weight reduction you're still looking at 3700-3800lbs.. The Viper stock only weighs 3436lbs. There is no way an 3700lb EVO making 600awhp can walk a 3400lb 674rwhp Viper from a roll like that.. It just doesn't make sense..
Uhhhhm Evo VIII's actually weigh 3,200 from the factory. We were talking about it last night before the race, the Viper and Evo are actually very similar in weight.
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I don't buy it.. A stock 2003 EVO VIII weighs over 4000lbs man, even with decent weight reduction you're still looking at 3700-3800lbs.. The Viper stock only weighs 3436lbs. There is no way an 3700lb EVO making 600awhp can walk a 3400lb 674rwhp Viper from a roll like that.. It just doesn't make sense..
?? The cubr weight of an Evo is in the 3350 neighboorhood. no where near 4000. The viper is around 3700 iirc.
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Just watched the vid again. Either the Evo has way more than 600rwhp, or the viper has way less than claimed to be pulled by that many bus lengths.
I think the viper is a bit lower on power than that. The same evo only put 2 lengths on a porte eaton/spray cobra that made 660/712. cobra's and vipers are also about the same weight.
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I know im not losing my mind, how mnay times has he told us it is making around 580awhp?Adam?Drew? Im confused
Yea you're right, he said he was making around that when he raced you when your spray wasn't working. But then last night he was saying that he is making more now, I think. Also, this is what I read on Dallasimports...this is the guy that tuned his car before his new setup (different turbo)
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mods to that evo from what i can remember:
2.4L 4g64 built block
cams (don't remember which ones)
37r or comparable turbo (don't remember exactly)
AEM EMS
meth injection
all the basic bolt ons, intercooler, pipes, intake, BOV, etc etc etc.
when i tuned it, we tuned it for pump gas and meth, and race gas, and race gas with meth (3 tunes in all). on race gas and meth we maxxed out his electronic boost controller at 38psi.
the thing absolutely flew. fastest evo i've been in (and i've been in many hundreds of evos). i would guess it was high 600's low 700whp.
But that may be on race gas and 38psi. He's on pump and 30psi right now, I believe.
Yea you're right, he said he was making around that when he raced you when your spray wasn't working. But then last night he was saying that he is making more now, I think. Also, this is what I read on Dallasimports...this is the guy that tuned his car before his new setup (different turbo)
ah his mod list didnt change from what I could tell between the runs with Tony and the Viper so i assumed he was making the same power.
I think the viper is a bit lower on power than that. The same evo only put 2 lengths on a porte eaton/spray cobra that made 660/712. cobra's and vipers are also about the same weight.
Actually, the Viper is a good few hundred pounds (~3400) lighter than a Cobra, which makes it even more confusing
what's really amazing is its a 4cyl vs a 10cyl... wow.
badass evo, id drive it.
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I probably should also mention that when I beat him I was on 93 octane at 30psi and 600awhp the way I drive it to work every day, instead of Q16 @ 40psi and 700awhp and better tires.
I can't find the current video but here's the old one:
The ^ YouTube video show's a turbo Formula running a 9.3. The StreetFire video shows him running perfectly even with that Formula in the same street races on his street setup.
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It's real simple. If everyone is so sure that the Evo is only making 600 whp then the Viper is simply not making what he says. Hp is HP. But Vipers make ass tons of torque which is why they eat up so much stuff with comparable HP. I could really care less but without seeing both cars dyno sheets the verdict is that the Evo is making a lot more then he says and the Viper is making less.
It looked like the Evo was Brake-boosting on the roll, that is what kept it even from the start. There goes the vipers torque advantage on the roll race.
It looked like the Evo was Brake-boosting on the roll, that is what kept it even from the start. There goes the vipers torque advantage on the roll race.
That's what would have kept it even if they were making equal power. The Viper has to literally make 200 more ft. lb. of torque. The Evo is flat out making bigger numbers.
I think the viper is a bit lower on power than that. The same evo only put 2 lengths on a porte eaton/spray cobra that made 660/712. cobra's and vipers are also about the same weight.
I don't know if you are talking about the same ported/spray Cobra from
drwprtcht's last video, but the Silver Evo races a SB ported/spray Cobra in that video and it is definately a bigger gap than 2 car lengths between the two of them!
It's real simple. If everyone is so sure that the Evo is only making 600 whp then the Viper is simply not making what he says. Hp is HP. But Vipers make ass tons of torque which is why they eat up so much stuff with comparable HP. I could really care less but without seeing both cars dyno sheets the verdict is that the Evo is making a lot more then he says and the Viper is making less.
Torque is not wins you races, as you can see in this vid.
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