lol. Its so funny that no matter what the GTR does, the majority on this forum will never ever give it the respect it deserves.
This 4000lb, awd, 6 cylinder brick with very minimal mods is keeping up with a 120k, lightweight, blown V8 supercar and a half million dollar hyper exotic Porsche.
And fwiw, I dont think anyone is claiming superiority as if it wasnt modded, the mods are listed in every video.
Well said brother
The GTR (I am speaking stock vs stock here fellas) is giving up displacement (3.8L vs 6.2L ZR-1)and weight (3868lbs vs 3364lbs ZR-1) and does a damn good job of keeping its head above water
And for $28,xxx less than the ZR-1, that buries the argument right there. I love the Vette, but in the end, the best BANG for your SUPERCAR dollar goes to the GTR.
Sick cars in all the vids and props to all of them
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Where was that car? I didn't see it, a brand spanking new Porsche Turbo is 130k
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It is what it is, the GTR in question had a GT570 kit and some sort of catback. What proof do you have that the hardpipes don't do anything? Also, you forgot about replacing the exhaust piping BEFORE the downpipe, yeah that is a pretty difficult spot to reach.
Please, if you're going to make up stories then post up a GTR with an intake/exhaust/tune putting down over 550whp like the GT570 cars are doing.
The GTR (I am speaking stock vs stock here fellas) is giving up displacement (3.8L vs 6.2L ZR-1)and weight (3868lbs vs 3364lbs ZR-1) and does a damn good job of keeping its head above water
And for $28,xxx less than the ZR-1, that buries the argument right there. I love the Vette, but in the end, the best BANG for your SUPERCAR dollar goes to the GTR.
Sick cars in all the vids and props to all of them
You mean, 28,*** less, with 1*,*** in mods done to it, almost keeps up in a straight line.....but still gets dominated in braking and handling?
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Where was that car? I didn't see it, a brand spanking new Porsche Turbo is 130k
He meant that for the other videos of this exact car racing a carerra gt.
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Where have you read that? I have read the exact opposite, and have heard that the TVS is amazingly efficient and keeps lower IATs than pretty much any supercharger on the market.
On this very forum actually. It was copied from another forum. A tuner was discussing the differences in the Z06 and ZR1. Saying stock for stock, the ZR1 would pull handily on the Z06, but after a few runs, the gap would shrink smaller and smaller. On the dyno he said it lost upwards of 50whp after a few runs. I'll try to see if I can find it, I believe it was posted in the thread with the cammed Z06 vs Zr1 video...
The GTR (I am speaking stock vs stock here fellas) is giving up displacement (3.8L vs 6.2L ZR-1)and weight (3868lbs vs 3364lbs ZR-1) and does a damn good job of keeping its head above water
And for $28,xxx less than the ZR-1, that buries the argument right there. I love the Vette, but in the end, the best BANG for your SUPERCAR dollar goes to the GTR.
Sick cars in all the vids and props to all of them
true, and with the reg Zo6 the same argument can be applied money wise to the ZR-1..it perform slighty less than the Zr-1, but its 30-40k cheaper
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I haven't followed the banter, but this just in....
"The Lingenfelter Track Rental Day at Muncie Dragway produced a new fastest time for the Lingenfelter 2009 ZR1 Corvette. This Lingenfelter ZR1 has the latest version of our second level of supercharger upgrades and produces an impressive 739 RWHP & 720 RWTQ. The Lingenfelter supercharger upgrades included our pulley upgrade, air intake modifications, intercooler improvements and tuning. This was run with stock exhaust manifolds and factory cat back exhaust with Mild to Wild Switch. "
ZR1 + pulley, intercooler, intake & tune = 740rwhp & 10.0x @ 141.x in the 1/4 mile.
On this very forum actually. It was copied from another forum. A tuner was discussing the differences in the Z06 and ZR1. Saying stock for stock, the ZR1 would pull handily on the Z06, but after a few runs, the gap would shrink smaller and smaller. On the dyno he said it lost upwards of 50whp after a few runs. I'll try to see if I can find it, I believe it was posted in the thread with the cammed Z06 vs Zr1 video...
Owners themselves are saying otherwise... Now, of course on a dyno the car is going to heat soak, there isn't a whole lot of air being pushed in front of the car to simulate "at speed". This happens to a lot of the F/I cars unless theres a few giant fans in front of the car.
The ZR1 in the videos posted was pulling hard as shit damn near every single time.
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I haven't followed the banter, but this just in....
"The Lingenfelter Track Rental Day at Muncie Dragway produced a new fastest time for the Lingenfelter 2009 ZR1 Corvette. This Lingenfelter ZR1 has the latest version of our second level of supercharger upgrades and produces an impressive 739 RWHP & 720 RWTQ. The Lingenfelter supercharger upgrades included our pulley upgrade, air intake modifications, intercooler improvements and tuning. This was run with stock exhaust manifolds and factory cat back exhaust with Mild to Wild Switch. "
ZR1 + pulley, intercooler, intake & tune = 740rwhp & 10.0x @ 141.x in the 1/4 mile.
Where is your Godzilla now?
That is awesome.... We all know how LSx cars love exhaust mods too....
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i liked the video's until the mira mira's at the end. When they're done washing the dishes they should start mopping the floors, not go hang out and watch races.
The GTR (I am speaking stock vs stock here fellas) is giving up displacement (3.8L vs 6.2L ZR-1)and weight (3868lbs vs 3364lbs ZR-1) and does a damn good job of keeping its head above water
And for $28,xxx less than the ZR-1, that buries the argument right there. I love the Vette, but in the end, the best BANG for your SUPERCAR dollar goes to the GTR.
Sick cars in all the vids and props to all of them
Its been proven that even the regular Z06 whoops on a GTR. And since when do Supercars have back seats?
Common sense would tell you they aren't producing aluminum hardpipes that can't even be seen for absolutely no performance benefit.
Did you look at the picture? There are precat eliminators that replace exhaust piping BEFORE the downpipe. The GT570 doesn't even include a catback, or intake, instead it removes all possible restriction from the turbo back. Like I said, it is what it is. It's not an intake, exhaust, tune car, the FACT is it has a lot more than that. You have absolutely no evidence an "intake/exhaust/tune" offers the same performance as a car with the GT570 kit. Stop making up BS, thanks.
Have you ever owned a turbo car before?? Anyone that has owned or modded turbo car knows that these are minor mods.It sounds like your basing your assumption off of how much power it produces or the cost of the kit. One of the reasons some with other brand "intake,tune, exhuast" dont make the same power is because there wasnt any aftermarket turbo actautors on the market at the time the hks 570 was released. Actuators keep the boost from dropping off in higher rpm=more power. Also,not everyone is gonna buy every BPU mod at one time(aka hks570). The stuff listed on the hks 570 kit are the same Basic Performance Upgrades that i started with on all of the turbo cars that i have owned (300zx tt,sr20 240sx,galant vr4). I dont understand why there is even an argument about what is light or heavy mods on factory turbo car.
I haven't followed the banter, but this just in....
"The Lingenfelter Track Rental Day at Muncie Dragway produced a new fastest time for the Lingenfelter 2009 ZR1 Corvette. This Lingenfelter ZR1 has the latest version of our second level of supercharger upgrades and produces an impressive 739 RWHP & 720 RWTQ. The Lingenfelter supercharger upgrades included our pulley upgrade, air intake modifications, intercooler improvements and tuning. This was run with stock exhaust manifolds and factory cat back exhaust with Mild to Wild Switch. "
ZR1 + pulley, intercooler, intake & tune = 740rwhp & 10.0x @ 141.x in the 1/4 mile.
Have you ever owned a turbo car before?? Anyone that has owned or modded turbo car knows that these are minor mods.It sounds like your basing your assumption off of how much power it produces or the cost of the kit. One of the reasons some with other brand "intake,tune, exhuast" dont make the same power is because there wasnt any aftermarket turbo actautors on the market at the time the hks 570 was released. Actuators keep the boost from dropping off in higher rpm=more power. Also,not everyone is gonna buy every BPU mod at one time(aka hks570). The stuff listed on the hks 570 kit are the same Basic Performance Upgrades that i started with on all of the turbo cars that i have owned (300zx tt,sr20 240sx,galant vr4). I dont understand why there is even an argument about what is light or heavy mods on factory turbo car.
Look at my sig, owned two turbo cars, and NO the precat eliminators that connect to the header are not easy to reach. ALSO, read the link common posted, these cars cannot run the boost the GT570 cars produce without blowing IC pipes, HENCE the necessity for a hardpipe kit. Everything works together to produce WAY higher numbers than what a "simple bolt-on" GTR makes.
Look, the cars had those mods and those are the facts. It's not as easy as bolting on an exhaust, that's a FACT from the mouth of GTR owners with the kit themselves. There is nothing to argue about, I'm not saying it's heavily modded or lightly modded, I'm just posting what's actually done to the car. Everyone else is coming with BS about how it's an "intake, tune, exhaust" car.
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The GTR (I am speaking stock vs stock here fellas) is giving up displacement (3.8L vs 6.2L ZR-1)and weight (3868lbs vs 3364lbs ZR-1) and does a damn good job of keeping its head above water
And for $28,xxx less than the ZR-1, that buries the argument right there. I love the Vette, but in the end, the best BANG for your SUPERCAR dollar goes to the GTR.
Sick cars in all the vids and props to all of them
Wait...what?
The videos I'm watching are showing a stock ZR1 pulling multiple car lengths on a GTR with $10,000 in mods and about 100 more hp than stock. A stock GTR can't even 'keep its head above water' next to a stock Z06...and you can clearly see that the ZR1 is pulling basically bus lengths on even that. Sorry, but the ZR1 is just God. When you can buy a completely stock car for $100,000 that's as fast an an Enzo or Carrera GT, you've really got something.
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The videos I'm watching are showing a stock ZR1 pulling multiple car lengths on a GTR with $10,000 in mods and about 100 more hp than stock. A stock GTR can't even 'keep its head above water' next to a stock Z06...and you can clearly see that the ZR1 is pulling basically bus lengths on even that. Sorry, but the ZR1 is just God. When you can buy a completely stock car for $100,000 that's as fast an an Enzo or Carrera GT, you've really got something.
Look at my sig, owned two turbo cars, and NO the precat eliminators that connect to the header are not easy to reach. ALSO, read the link common posted, these cars cannot run the boost the GT570 cars produce without blowing IC pipes, HENCE the necessity for a hardpipe kit. Everything works together to produce WAY higher numbers than what a "simple bolt-on" GTR makes.
Look, the cars had those mods and those are the facts. It's not as easy as bolting on an exhaust, that's a FACT from the mouth of GTR owners with the kit themselves. There is nothing to argue about.
The stock dp's are not hard to get to, they are exposed once you remove the underbelly just like the tt z32. Its getting the turbos in/out that are a bitch. Besides,the fact remains that the upgrades in the hks 570 kit are BPU for any factory turbo car.The majority dont put every bolt on at one time, that is the main reason that hks570 guys have bigger numbers. Of course the guy with just an intake is gonna make less power. I can go to different turbo car sites and post a link to there basic mod list and the stuff in the hks570 kit will be in 95% of them.
The stock dp's are not hard to get to, they are exposed once you remove the underbelly just like the tt z32. Its getting the turbos in/out that are a bitch. Besides,the fact remains that the upgrades in the hks 570 kit are BPU for any factory turbo car.The majority dont put every bolt on at one time, that is the main reason that hks570 guys have bigger numbers. Of course the guy with just an intake is gonna make less power. I can go to different turbo car sites and post a link to there basic mod list and the stuff in the hks570 kit will be in 95% of them.
You can't read? I even posted a picture circling the exhaust pieces that bolt-on to the header, THESE ARE NOT APART OF THE DOWNPIPE..
I don't know how many times I have to say it, here is a picture so you can understand. For someone who's asking me if I owned a turbo car you sure are having a hard time differentiating what the downpipe is.
The fact remains, those are the mods to THIS car.
BTW, those precat eliminators, (ONCE AGAIN BEFORE THE DOWNPIPE THAT ACTUALLY BOLT-ON TO THE HEADER WHICH ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO SWAP) remove a HUGE restriction.
I'm simply posting what's done to THIS car and what's required to have it installed. The stories about how it's an intake, exhaust, tune car are 100% false.
Before you post stories about your turbo 240SX, answer this. Does the GTR in this video not have a GT570 kit installed? If so, what the **** exactly is your argument? How you don't own a GTR but think it can go just as fast with boost and a downpipe? FASCINATING!
You can't read? I even posted a picture circling the exhaust pieces that bolt-on to the header, THESE ARE NOT APART OF THE DOWNPIPE..
I don't know how many times I have to say it, here is a picture so you can understand. For someone who's asking me if I owned a turbo car you sure are having a hard time differentiating what the downpipe is.
The fact remains, those are the mods to THIS car.
BTW, those precat eliminators, (ONCE AGAIN BEFORE THE DOWNPIPE THAT ACTUALLY BOLT-ON TO THE HEADER WHICH ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO SWAP) remove a HUGE restriction.
The part that connects here is the downpipe, I consider the "midpipe" on a turbo car the downpipe. It's a bolt-on part, look how difficult it would be to replace the other pipes going up there. The exhaust pieces that go BEFORE the downpipe which are very difficult to install I consider precat exhaust eliminators, (which remove additional restriction before the downpipe). Anything before the downpipe with a header flange is not considered the downpipe.
Here, it's universal for every turbo car, even the 240SX and 300ZX you previously owned.
Also, you forgot about replacing the exhaust piping BEFORE the downpipe, yeah that is a pretty difficult spot to reach.
. The Pre-cat eliminators=DP on the GTR. The part you called the dp is the midpipe. Below is the AMS DOWNPIPE/MIDPIPE,SSP Downpipe , and HarmonMotive downpipe. Notice we are talking about the same parts but different brands.
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