Oh. c'mon now, Freddy. If we're going to go that route, Supras have been GT racing in Japan and Asia for decades now. It's competed and won against Ferraris, Lambos, Porsches, Astons, and the vaunted McLaren F1 GTR. I'm sure there are more than a few Supras in the GT500 class that can beat the racecar you just posted.
I'm just countering your argument that seems to get erroneously used a lot against Mustangs--that it's only good in a straight line.
You mean like this...
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Oh. c'mon now, Freddy. If we're going to go that route, Supras have been GT racing in Japan and Asia for decades now. It's competed and won against Ferraris, Lambos, Porsches, Astons, and the vaunted McLaren F1 GTR. I'm sure there are more than a few Supras in the GT500 class that can beat the racecar you just posted.
I'm just countering your argument that seems to get erroneously used a lot against Mustangs--that it's only good in a straight line.
People just enjoy trying to take any credit away from how well Supras have performed. Maybe it was because those damn Fast & Furious movies that put such a stigma on them as a ricer car but you can't deny how much of a beast the MKIV Supra still is to this day even though it came out in the early 90s and as long as they haven't been destroyed with a body kit then it's still a timeless beauty as well. It was surely ahead of its time.
I honestly DON'T think people have as much of a problem with Supra's as the Supra nut swingers think people do (if that makes sense)....I don't think there is a logical car guy there that still deny's that Supra's have immense potential but the hard core Supra guys get pissed when people aren't praising them as the ultimate car. That is getting a little old.
Anyway, back on topic. I think Sal's new setup would take the TX mile crown this year but he's a 1/4 mile dude.
575cid stroker with Twin pro mod 90mm turbo's....ran 7.52 at 190.1 mph on DR's with the previous setup....she's a serious ol bitch
I think Amit's widebody supra will be the first to hit 250mph, they said that SW was right at 9500rpms in 5th gear when he ran his fastest MPH, Amit having the widebody has the ability to run some taller tires to take him to a faster speed, I also believe Amit's car makes more power then SW's
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Yeah I think Amit's car made over 1500rwhp I think the record will be taken down by Underground with TT 1400awhp Gallardo.
The Viper above with 575ci Twin 90mm is not that impressive IMO LSX With 408ci single 106mm Turbo ran better ETs and MPH
Hell with 454ci LSX twin 80mm Paul Major ran 7.1@209mph and thats with Drag Radial too.....
It's impressive when you think that he is the one and only person taking a Viper to this level. All the R&D and track learning's come from him and his car. He doesn't have the luxury of massive aftermarket support and knowledge. It's a tad easier for the Ford & Chevy guys when you have thousands of people testing new ideas and combinations. Not an excuse, just a fact.
The knowledge base for the Viper is rather small in comparison.
I honestly DON'T think people have as much of a problem with Supra's as the Supra nut swingers think people do (if that makes sense)....I don't think there is a logical car guy there that still deny's that Supra's have immense potential but the hard core Supra guys get pissed when people aren't praising them as the ultimate car. That is getting a little old.
Anyway, back on topic. I think Sal's new setup would take the TX mile crown this year but he's a 1/4 mile dude.
575cid stroker with Twin pro mod 90mm turbo's....ran 7.52 at 190.1 mph on DR's with the previous setup....she's a serious ol bitch
Well, you obviously don't look at what some people say very closely. There are over a handful of posts I can recall from the past on here any time a Supra is mentioned and people simply state "Supras are only dyno queens", "they only make power for 500RPM", or anything stupid along those lines. You get the point, but the key word in yoru post is "LOGICAL" car guys and there seems to be a lack of that on here.
That's a nice Viper but for almost 600c.i. and twin 90mm turbos that's not very impressive. How much boost was that run on, do you know?
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It's impressive when you think that he is the one and only person taking a Viper to this level. All the R&D and track learning's come from him and his car. He doesn't have the luxury of massive aftermarket support and knowledge. It's a tad easier for the Ford & Chevy guys when you have thousands of people testing new ideas and combinations. Not an excuse, just a fact.
The knowledge base for the Viper is rather small in comparison.
Yeah, well apparently he has the money to figure it out himself so more power to him and his sick car. But what exactly has more development? It seems like he's got everything done similarly to any other big power car whether it's a Vette, MUstang, etc. and to begin with he's already got an enormous cubic inch advantage.
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im no expert but, but that would that not be laggy as hell?
5k+ to boost?
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Yeah, well apparently he has the money to figure it out himself so more power to him and his sick car. But what exactly has more development? It seems like he's got everything done similarly to any other big power car whether it's a Vette, MUstang, etc. and to begin with he's already got an enormous cubic inch advantage.
A SBC, BBC, or any modular Ford motor has had so much more aftermarket development than the Viper motor, it's not even quantifiable. I can't possibly exaggerate how much more development support they have received. Just open up any parts catalog and show me how many viper parts you find.
Money will get you a lot, but it'll never make up for the millions of man hours put into the Ford and Chevy's. It's not just the mills either, but an entirely different platform to develop. A single person can only run a finite number of setups and combinations. We're talking several hundred runs compared to literally millions of runs fro the other guys.
The cube amount doens't really mean shit, as there are 700+ c.i. motors out there.
A SBC, BBC, or any modular Ford motor has had so much more aftermarket development than the Viper motor, it's not even quantifiable. I can't possibly exaggerate how much more development support they have received. Just open up any parts catalog and show me how many viper parts you find.
Money will get you a lot, but it'll never make up for the millions of man hours put into the Ford and Chevy's. It's not just the mills either, but an entirely different platform to develop. A single person can only test a finite number of setups and combinations
The cube amount doens't really mean shit, as there are 700+ c.i. motors out there.
Well, a larger cubic inch engine should make more power than a smaller cubic in setup at less boost and should have a nicer powerband.
Do you have any info on how his heads flow compared to something on an LSx setup? Manifold comparison? I would say even with less development the heads on the Viper, manifolds, etc. would still flow more than enough in a setup like the above (which are two major areas of less development that you are talking about?).
What, in your opinion, is the aspect of development that is limiting the viper above?
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Hell with 454ci LSX twin 80mm Paul Major ran 7.1@209mph and thats with Drag Radial too.....
On IRS like the viper as well?? Nope.......That viper is very impressive for what it is, because unlike most of these cars , its not hacked to pieces. Everyone is so quick to judge and throw out their little internet knowledge on everything its amazing!! Also those times were not with the ProMod 90s. Lots of factory parts on that car, makes it very cool and kind of an exception in that crowd! But hell what do i know? I just read shit on the internet like everyone else lol
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The suspension. The IRS might be close to it's limit.
Gotcha, that's what I was looking for. I can't believe with all the money this guy's spent that he hasn't figured out a solution or swapped it out for something better. The car is already so modified it's not like he'd be hacking it up much or changing it any more than it already is and it would really put all the rest of the money spent to better use considering it would allow the car to run better.
Do you know if that guy has any future ideas to resolve the rear suspension problem?
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No one said it didn't run okay. But the setup has a lot more potential. So as GTSspartan said the IRS would be the biggest thing that needs to be changed apparently.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to point out whether a setup is running good or not. I'm sorry you lack the common sense many other share.
So then per my disclaimer you are said forum engineer engine builder extraordinaire? And I do gots a little common sense bout me but my darn pithy comments keep getting misinterpreted.
Yeah and I'm not here to start any shit, I'm not Mr2cam reincarnate. Just saying.
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Gotcha, that's what I was looking for. I can't believe with all the money this guy's spent that he hasn't figured out a solution or swapped it out for something better. The car is already so modified it's not like he'd be hacking it up much or changing it any more than it already is and it would really put all the rest of the money spent to better use considering it would allow the car to run better.
im no expert but, but that would that not be laggy as hell?
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