Regardless congrats on the car, it makes the most out of the combo and performs very well. Who knows how long it will last, but how does anyone really know unless you push the limits of parts.
As for dyno's hp/tq and all that nonesense, yea its nice put down a decent # to have, but the only # that matters to me is what does it run in the 1/4
Lol at all the people bitching about import vs stang or whatever else. Heres the thing with most of you V8 people...if its not built by Ford and has V8 in it...you wont give the car any credit. Ive owned Ford, Nissan, Honda, Acura, and Chevy and REGUARDLESS of who the car is made by...if it is fast, and is nicely done...I give the car respect whether its a V8 or a 4 cyl.
I hate when people think that V8's are god and nothing can destroy them and Ive OWNED a Cobra along with many other V8s before so dont try and tell me Im a hater or an import lover. I give respect where respect is due no matter who makes the car or how many cylinders there are.
Just remember that there is at least one 4 cyl that would tear a decently built/decently HP apart....
I'm the guy who bought the 93 hatch back then. Right now my best friend owns it and it has a carbed 393 stroker but it has some minor issues that need to be fixed. Sorry for the hijack folks!
I hate when folks talk about hp and torque, forget about other variables and then their cars run nowhere where they need to be running. It's the whole combo that makes the car run good and efficient...
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here is a list of several high hp complete stock bottom end b16's off of honda-tech.com. (Most of the E.T.s are not very impressive for the power but that isn't your argument)
B16:
1. Randys 630whp and 390tq on 118. (10.97@131)
2. C squared motorsports 511whp GSR head/GSR tranny....(10.84@134)
3. Jockobo 407.1whp 287.3 GSRhead B16 bottom E85 (10.7@131mph)
4. mike@synapse motorsport 405who 270tq GT3076r VP12 race gas
5. redline130 393 whp 261 ftlbs, C16 (11.65 @ 125mph)
6. SLS_Mike 378 whp 258 tq, 14 psi, 57 trim
7. popnvtec 375 whp E85 GT35R
8. marques4130 350 whp sunoco 112 best (11.8 @ 119 @ 4200 ft)
9. 98gsrTEG 344whp@1 bar on pump gas
10. Black SI 344whp on a stock b16 @14psi
How long did they last? I dont know but i know some people have had very good luck with stock bottom ends. Personally i have a sleeved block with different rods and pistons because i put a hole in my stock block. I never even attempted to run stock pistons/rods with boost though.
I only speak from my own experience. Severals of my friends have had honda's with turbo's on them. From a K20 6sp in a EG hatch to my other buddy Ammar's with a T3T4 from 11-12psi on a stock B16A. Now his B16A run for alittle over 2years with 350whp on 12psi, before it ate the rings. Ran around 115mph with that tune. He redid the bottomend with low compression forged pistons & rods. It put down over 400whp on 20psi pump and traps125+
before build
I just don't see that civic having a stock bottomend. Jesus must have did his tune.
All comes down to tuning my friend and how much you get on it.
And after watching those two vids...if the guy who owned the Civic knew how to drive...you would of been owned by both the 40 and 50 rolls...and I dont mean win...I mean owned.
Shut the **** up... "TQ doesn't matter HP does" ..... It never ceases to amaze me when import guys say crap like this.
Little lesson for you.... HP = (TQ x RPM)/5252
TQ doesn't matter but dynos don't read HP .. They read TQ. HP is just a calculation.
1/4 mile calculators... BWAHAHAHAHA
Low end torque, doesn't equate to high end power. More torque in higher rpms's = more power.
(3 ft/lb of torque @ 2 RPM) / 5252 = .0011424 HP (V8)
(1 ft/lb of torque @ 8 RPM) /5252 = .0015232 hp (4cyl)
Which one makes more power?
Different cars have different powerbands, doesn't mean one is better than the other. As you can tell by the example I demonstrated, that the higher your torque throughout your rpms(4cyl), you will yield more power.
I only speak from my own experience. Severals of my friends have had honda's with turbo's on them. From a K20 6sp in a EG hatch to my other buddy Ammar's with a T3T4 from 11-12psi on a stock B16A. Now his B16A run for alittle over 2years with 350whp on 12psi, before it ate the rings. Ran around 115mph with that tune. He redid the bottomend with low compression forged pistons & rods. It put down over 400whp on 20psi pump and traps125+
before build Civic has a B16A with a t3t4 57trim 11PSI White G - Car Videos on StreetFire
after build Turbo Civic & Stg3 Srt4 - Car Videos on StreetFire
I just don't see that civic having a stock bottomend. Jesus must have did his tune.
It's more in depth that what you make it seem. Head design is one factor you need to consider when making this much power efficiently! Plenty of 4cyl cars over the years have been able to make 5-600hp on stock bottom ends without issues. It all comes down to the tuning and the flow characteristics of the head.
3sgte(mr2)
4g63
Sr20
K20
....have all made 500-600hp on stock motors over the years.
Most DOHC setups are able to take advantage of fueling and timing much more effectively than a pushrod or 2v setups due to the placement of the sparkplugs in the cylinder heads.
Shut the **** up... "TQ doesn't matter HP does" ..... It never ceases to amaze me when import guys say crap like this.
Little lesson for you.... HP = (TQ x RPM)/5252
TQ doesn't matter but dynos don't read HP .. They read TQ. HP is just a calculation.
1/4 mile calculators... BWAHAHAHAHA
One more thing:
Torque only measures where hp will end up. Horsepower is a measurement of work and torque is defined as being a rotational force. I would rather have torque in higher rpm's with a linear curve than peak hp down low. What if you had an engine that made 10,000ft/lbs of torque easily. But it ran at 1rpm. (10000ft/lbs * 1rpm) / 5252 = 1.904 hp ????????
It's more in depth that what you make it seem. Head design is one factor you need to consider when making this much power efficiently! Plenty of 4cyl cars over the years have been able to make 5-600hp on stock bottom ends without issues. It all comes down to the tuning and the flow characteristics of the head.
3sgte(mr2)
4g63
Sr20
K20
....have all made 500-600hp on stock motors over the years.
Most DOHC setups are able to take advantage of fueling and timing much more effectively than a pushrod or 2v setups due to the placement of the sparkplugs in the cylinder heads.
that & the flow and valve control. Not 1 of those cars do it on 93pump with a stock bottomend. High compression is not doable in high boost for long, even with magic fuel it will break something sooner if not later. You build with the right rods & pistons, a civic can run like the winds blows.
Low end torque, doesn't equate to high end power. More torque in higher rpms's = more power.
(3 ft/lb of torque @ 2 RPM) / 5252 = .0011424 HP (V8)
(1 ft/lb of torque @ 8 RPM) /5252 = .0015232 hp (4cyl)
Which one makes more power?
Different cars have different powerbands, doesn't mean one is better than the other. As you can tell by the example I demonstrated, that the higher your torque throughout your rpms(4cyl), you will yield more power.
Secondly, torque does not accelerate your car.
not too sure on what you were trying to prove there but you left the major point out.. its all in firing order. on a V8 u have half the cylinders fire per RPM, so u have 4 pulses ever 360 degree's on a 4 cylinder you have 2. which is the reason why the motors spin a lot higher to make power and torque because it has half the pulses on the crank at 500 rpm as a V8 would. not to mention i dont think a B16 or a mod motor can idle down to 8rpm... im sure it would lope like a mother though...
Shut the **** up... "TQ doesn't matter HP does" ..... It never ceases to amaze me when import guys say crap like this.
Little lesson for you.... HP = (TQ x RPM)/5252
TQ doesn't matter but dynos don't read HP .. They read TQ. HP is just a calculation.
1/4 mile calculators... BWAHAHAHAHA
Which physics class did you fail in Community College? Because at the big boy universities we learn that the equation for HP using Tq is
HP = Torque (lb. -in.) x RPM
63,025
what you're using is a conversion for foot pounds which is flawed because of the unit conversion. You have to do the HP calculation first and then convert to ft. You can test this by converting 63,025lb-in to ft by dividing by 12 (12 inches in a foot) and you get 5252.08, which as you can see is already off from the denominator you're using.
It is also something picked up in physics that when calculating torque you us the equation
Lb. In. Torque = Force (lb.) x Radius (in.)
Now to prove this, take your car to a dyno and ask them not to use a rpm pick up.. you wont get a tq number. only HP.
AND YES ITS STOCK BOTTOM END, ONLY USING ARP HEAD STUDS, USING E100 AND A "PAINT THINNER" MIXED IN, ELIMANTES ANY POSSIBILITY OF KNOCK. INFACT IT RAISED COMPRESSION AND ALMOST STOPPED SMOKING. ITS A 100K MILE MOTOR.
Oh and a 2500$ ECU and another 1500 for sensors makes a big difference.
THANKS
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My 240 ftlb tq honda runs 10s.. does your mustang?
Tq does not tell us anything when it comes to accleration.
1/4 mile calculators dont ask for a tq number... because it does not matter
this civic is my car, stock usdm b16 piston/rod/sleeve motor. Arp head studs.
Gt30r on 18 psi on e100 with paint thinner mixed it. approx 130 octane.
Its not blowing up anytime soon. I just got a borg warner s400sx to put on it to see if it can break 9s on stock motor.
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Famous last words by every stock motor turbo honda owner!
You got so offended, to the point where needing to open a new account just to defend your pile of shit?
Listen here, your garbage could run ****ing 8's while shifting itself and giving you a blowjob, fact of the matter is that majority of adult people wouldnt want to get caught dead in it. It's ugly as sin, sounds like garbage and needs quite a few things to run semi decent(like in this video) ie. race gas, slick, etc etc!
Everyone here knows I like imports, so I am not bashing it because its an import, I am bashing it because of what it is, terrible looking, sounding, driving econobox that has as much style as a ****ing door knob!
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You got so offended, to the point where needing to open a new account just to defend your pile of shit?
Listen here, your garbage could run ****ing 8's while shifting itself and giving you a blowjob, fact of the matter is that majority of adult people wouldnt want to get caught dead in it. It's ugly as sin, sounds like garbage and needs quite a few things to run semi decent(like in this video) ie. race gas, slick, etc etc!
Everyone here knows I like imports, so I am not bashing it because its an import, I am bashing it because of what it is, terrible looking, sounding, driving econobox that has as much style as a ****ing door knob!
Are you blind? Its a real 99 SI, its got 25" slicks on it.
I dont care if it was a honda or a ford or gm, its fast, fun cheap and reliable i drive it every day. and gets above 25mpgs.
Keep up the good work pal.
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If that is the car I think it is (and i'm pretty sure it is) then I know the owner and actually work at the same shop from time to time
but the owner is a super nice guy and really knows his stuff, and does all the tuning for all kinds of cars
This car I think iirc is getting a new setup which should blow it up, but I may be wrong
But it isn't bad for a car that he drives to work a few times a week and looks completely bone stock on the outside.
but like I said earlier if it is the person I think it is he is the tuner for National Speed (This is the same shop who made the "my new honda" video haha)here in Wilmington, NC. This shop has all kinds of cool cars running around and being built
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that & the flow and valve control. Not 1 of those cars do it on 93pump with a stock bottomend. High compression is not doable in high boost for long, even with magic fuel it will break something sooner if not later. You build with the right rods & pistons, a civic can run like the winds blows.
Yes and I have had built mr2's, built 350z's etc.....
What you fail to comprehend, is what I proposed earlier. The reason why Hondas, Toyotas and other 4 valve motors can take to high compression turbocharging is due to the placement of the sparkplug. Typically with a 4 valve setup, you have the sparkplug centered in the middle of the 4 valves, allowing for a more complete combustion. Hondas have been using 11:5:1 - 12:1 compression for nearly 15 years now and with the introduction to newer technology that allows finer tuning, there are less and less chances of detonating a motor.
You can clearly make over 500hp(stock bottom end) with those motors previously listed on pump. It is not that hard to do!
Yes and I have had built mr2's, built 350z's etc.....
What you fail to comprehend, is what I proposed earlier. The reason why Hondas, Toyotas and other 4 valve motors can take to high compression turbocharging is due to the placement of the sparkplug. Typically with a 4 valve setup, you have the sparkplug centered in the middle of the 4 valves, allowing for a more complete combustion. Hondas have been using 11:5:1 - 12:1 compression for nearly 15 years now and with the introduction to newer technology that allows finer tuning, there are less and less chances of detonating a motor.
You can clearly make over 500hp(stock bottom end) with those motors previously listed on pump. It is not that hard to do!
B16A was not one on the list. So if the plug is in the center of a cylinder, all laws of space & time do not apply? It makes magical things happen, got ya.
PS where's your GTR at? I thought that was what made you famous.
If that is the car I think it is (and i'm pretty sure it is) then I know the owner and actually work at the same shop from time to time
but the owner is a super nice guy and really knows his stuff, and does all the tuning for all kinds of cars
This car I think iirc is getting a new setup which should blow it up, but I may be wrong
But it isn't bad for a car that he drives to work a few times a week and looks completely bone stock on the outside.
but like I said earlier if it is the person I think it is he is the tuner for National Speed (This is the same shop who made the "my new honda" video haha)here in Wilmington, NC. This shop has all kinds of cool cars running around and being built
B16A was not one on the list. So if the plug is in the center of a cylinder, all laws of space & time do not apply? It makes magical things happen, got ya.
PS where's your GTR at? I thought that was what made you famous.
It has been done before countless of times.
Don't have one as of yet....Business is slow and quite frankly, I am out of the racing game for the minute.
..... It never ceases to amaze me when import guys say crap like this. 
.. They read TQ. HP is just a calculation.
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