Those GT-R's with the right person behind the wheel really are something else.
Edit: BTW, are you running any type of oil'ing modifications to prevent starvation? I am sure on race rubber the G-forces can get up there.
You'll love this, I'm behind the GT-R in turn 2 at Laguna, we are both FULLY loaded and he just stands on it mid apex, the car wiggles and leaves four black lines and pulls 3 car lengths on me... Craziest thing I've ever seen! I went and talked to him after, he stated "Just when you think your on the edge with it and you think its going to go, it does something like that..., so I'm carefully relearning well... everything."
As far as oiling I run a Canton RR pan as cheap insurance, we've measured the G-loads on the GR40TT on Hooiser R6s as high as 1.6G constant, over 2.0G jerk.
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1965 Ford Mustang Fastback
Modifications: Griggs GR350 Suspension, 4on4 Brake System, De-cambered hybrid 8.8"/9" Rear End, Roll Bar, Safecraft harnesses/extinguisher, Baer "Twisted Stars" 17x9, Hoosier 275/40/17 AS03s, Shelby R-model Hood and Front Valance, HP Autowerks Lightweight Battery, Recaro SRDs
2005 Nissan 350Z 35th Anniversary
2008 Smart Fortwo
2008 Mustang GT - Vista Blue
Modifications: Griggs Racing GR40ST suspension, Cortex Racing Billet Aluminum Drop Spindles, Griggs/Sierra 4on4 Brake System, Roll Bar, Safecraft harnesses/extinguisher, Jongbloed 305 Aeros 18x10.5, Toyo 305/35/18 RA-1s, Tiger Racing Air Extraction Hood, HP Autowerks Lightweight Battery, Borla Long Tube Headers, JLT Cold-Air Intake, Tune by Performance Autosport
Weight and Distribution F/R: 3395lbs 50/50
305 RWHP.. Thats right 305!!
As far as oiling I run a Canton RR pan as cheap insurance, we've measured the G-loads on the GR40TT on Hooiser R6s as high as 1.6G constant, over 2.0G jerk.
No starvation with just a pan change? Is capacity increased? Also, are you running 305's all around or just in the rear?
No starvation with just a pan change? Is capacity increased? Also, are you running 305's all around or just in the rear?
Yup just a pan change, its the RR version fully baffled. Capacity goes up by 2 quarts I think.
I'm running Toyo R888 305s on all four corners, but now that they are done. 315 Hoosiers R6s should be here Friday
Time to race ALMS if you are that confident in your equipment
I think there are probably a few vettes that wouldn't mind a piece of you
Just my thoughts. If the Mustang is such an outstanding platform why aren't any championship winning teams in professional racing running them. No doubt passing a ZO6 has to make you feel good but the action in the video is strictly amateur. Why would anyone race a GT3RS or Corvette over the Mustang? The answer is becuase you can't win with a Mustang with the competition running better platforms. It is just a fact. Mustangs don't win road races.
You have mechanics and drivers that know what they are doing and the mustang will be nothing more than a moving chicane in ALMS.
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AZPS-02 cam, SW lt's, Magnaflow
423whp in Phoenix
360whp in Denver(altitude sucks!)
I know, everyone hates my car
Just my thoughts. If the Mustang is such an outstanding platform why aren't any championship winning teams in professional racing running them. No doubt passing a ZO6 has to make you feel good but the action in the video is strictly amateur. Why would anyone race a GT3RS or Corvette over the Mustang? The answer is becuase you can't win with a Mustang with the competition running better platforms. It is just a fact. Mustangs don't win road races.
You have mechanics and drivers that know what they are doing and the mustang will be nothing more than a moving chicane in ALMS.
Your statement is so incorrect it's actually funny. You clearly have NO knowledge of ALMS or the rules governing it. I can sit here and explain it to you but I have much better things to do.
I'd bet that very few of you Z06 swingers have ever seen a fully prepped Griggs S197 in person, let alone ridden in, or raced against one on the track. I've ridden in C5Z's & C6Z's and driven a C6Z on the track, excellent out of the box track car w/o a doubt, but it's not the end-all track car some of you believe it is, sorry Fellas...
The Griggs community is a very small group of dedicated track hounds, it encompasses all levels of driver experience, from active professionals to first year amateurs a like. I can tell you from first hand experience, Griggs Racing accepts and respects all car enthusiasts no matter their brand preference and/or loyalty and if anyone of you wants a ride and are traveling through Northern California, let us know, we're always happy to open people eyes to reality, no matter how hard they try to refuse it...
Your statement is so incorrect it's actually funny. You clearly have NO knowledge of ALMS or the rules governing it. I can sit here and explain it to you but I have much better things to do.
I'd bet that very few of you Z06 swingers have ever seen a fully prepped Griggs S197 in person, let alone ridden in, or raced against one on the track. I've ridden in C5Z's & C6Z's and driven a C6Z on the track, excellent out of the box track car w/o a doubt, but it's not the end-all track car some of you believe it is, sorry Fellas...
The Griggs community is a very small group of dedicated track hounds, it encompasses all levels of driver experience, from active professionals to first year amateurs a like. I can tell you from first hand experience, Griggs Racing accepts and respects all car enthusiasts no matter their brand preference and/or loyalty and if anyone of you want a ride and are traveling through Northern California, let us know, we're always happy to open people eyes to reality, no matter how hard they try to refuse it...
Well said, I've never driven or ridden it either of the cars. It's easy to get caught up in all of the forum talk, internet videos and magazine articles about cars (like the Z06). I enjoy hearing from people who have actually had real world experiences to base their opinions. Look forward to seeing more videos from you guys!
Just my thoughts. If the Mustang is such an outstanding platform why aren't any championship winning teams in professional racing running them. No doubt passing a ZO6 has to make you feel good but the action in the video is strictly amateur. Why would anyone race a GT3RS or Corvette over the Mustang? The answer is becuase you can't win with a Mustang with the competition running better platforms. It is just a fact. Mustangs don't win road races.
You have mechanics and drivers that know what they are doing and the mustang will be nothing more than a moving chicane in ALMS.
Take my advice:Only speak when you know what you're talking about. And for the record I'm not even a big fan of road racing, but heres a little history lesson for you.
Click on this link to see a mustang that "does not win road races"
better yet I'll copy and paste it here myself, ahem:
Road Racing
FR500C
Powered by a 5.0L "Cammer R50" engine, it delivers 420 hp (313 kW). It includes a Tremec T56 6-speed transmission and other race-spec parts including a Grand Am-spec rollcage. It is permitted to be used in the Grand Am Grand Sport (GS) Class.[1]
The FR500C can either be obtained as a turnkey costing $125,000 or by modding an existing Mustang GT with specified parts from Ford Racing.[2]
It is also known by its nickname "Boy Racer", assigned by Ford executives. This model won the manufacturers title in the Koni Challenge racing series in 2005 & 2008. This was after several attempts to slow the car down- such as a rearend gears change and additional weight. The car is dominate in the GS class.
Take my advice:Only speak when you know what you're talking about. And for the record I'm not even a big fan of road racing, but heres a little history lesson for you.
better yet I'll copy and paste it here myself, ahem:
Road Racing
FR500C
Powered by a 5.0L "Cammer R50" engine, it delivers 420 hp (313 kW). It includes a Tremec T56 6-speed transmission and other race-spec parts including a Grand Am-spec rollcage. It is permitted to be used in the Grand Am Grand Sport (GS) Class.[1]
The FR500C can either be obtained as a turnkey costing $125,000 or by modding an existing Mustang GT with specified parts from Ford Racing.[2]
It is also known by its nickname "Boy Racer", assigned by Ford executives. This model won the manufacturers title in the Koni Challenge racing series in 2005 & 2008. This was after several attempts to slow the car down- such as a rearend gears change and additional weight. The car is dominate in the GS class.
Oh, nice. So, Ford has purpose built race cars with no VIN, 6 figure price tags, and hand built race engines competing against everyone else with production vehicles Yup, you showed us! Ford is the only manufacturer allowed an engine swap from the represented vehicle (the Mustang GT with a 4.6 SOHC). GM and Dodge must even retain the stock airbox!!!!! The Fords go against the purpose of the series, which is "designed to encourage race competition of standard volume-produced cars and components". Ford throws a LOT of money around so execptions are made.
How about the Vettes? Oh yeah, they don't run that series because they're FAR above anything the Mustang has to offer
Oh, nice. So, Ford has purpose built race cars with no VIN, 6 figure price tags, and hand built race engines competing against everyone else with production vehicles Yup, you showed us! Ford is the only manufacturer allowed an engine swap from the represented vehicle (the Mustang GT with a 4.6 SOHC). GM and Dodge must even retain the stock airbox!!!!! The Fords go against the purpose of the series, which is "designed to encourage race competition of standard volume-produced cars and components". Ford throws a LOT of money around so execptions are made.
How about the Vettes? Oh yeah, they don't run that series because they're FAR above anything the Mustang has to offer
Brandon Davis won the Speed World Challange GT class in a Mustang this past year. And Ford is not throwing anything at that series, as Brandon and his Dad were the only two running Fords.
Brandon Davis won the Speed World Challange GT class in a Mustang this past year. And Ford is not throwing anything at that series, as Brandon and his Dad were the only two running Fords.
Again...
That Mustang ran a one-off 6.0 engine. How many 05+ Mustangs have you seen with a 6.0? Most other cars were heavily restricted, most notably the Corvette. Most Vette guys have pulled out of that series and have moved up. And don't kid yourself, Ford Racing has thrown quite a bit of money to the Davis'
Of course, I'm sure you're aware that the Oldsmobile Achieva has a superior legacy to the Mustang in that series, right?
Finally, NONE of these "Mustangs" runs anything close to resembling a production engine, unlike the Chevrolet counterparts.
That Mustang ran a one-off 6.0 engine. How many 05+ Mustangs have you seen with a 6.0? Most other cars were heavily restricted, most notably the Corvette. Most Vette guys have pulled out of that series and have moved up. And don't kid yourself, Ford Racing has thrown quite a bit of money to the Davis'
Of course, I'm sure you're aware that the Oldsmobile Achieva has a superior legacy to the Mustang in that series, right?
Finally, NONE of these "Mustangs" runs anything close to resembling a production engine, unlike the Chevrolet counterparts.
Have you even been out on a track?? good god.. I have a great idea go and get your car that is comparable and bring it to a track.. bring a C6Z or whatever.. or atleast do some research..
To the OP great run and you are one hell of a driver.. hopefully this coming season i'll see you out there.
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98 Cobra w/ Saleen Body Kit
Forged Modular Performance Longblock, Manley billet I-beams, Coated Diamond Pistons, Ported 04 Cobra heads w/ crower valvetrain, APR everything, 01 Cobra intake, Canton Road Racing Oil pan, Vortech T-trim w/ aftercooler, AFCO Pro-series heat exchanger, Mondo bypass valve, 8rib, 60# injectors, FORE fuel rails, MSD DIS-4, GR-40 suspension, Kooks 1-3/4'' LTs with 3'' Xpipe, 3" mufflers into dumps, FRP 4.10's, Superior 31 spline axels, Torsen T2R diff, HRE wheels, Aluminum driveshaft, T-56 Magnum, fidenza aluminum flywheel, spec stg 3 clutch, rear Seat Delete kit, Sparco harness bar, Baer brakes on all 4 corners, 4piston front calipers, Cobra Daytona Seats, Crow racing harnesses, Brake cooling kit, Autometer gauges (6), BOI smoked headlights, SCT, 3300lbs, AED tuned 550rwhp and 477rwtq on 15lbs of boost and 91 oct. Race tune 6xxrwhp and 5xxrwtq
To be installed: Glenns Sumped tank, Aeromotive A1000 pump w/ filters, custom -10 SS fuel lines
Have you even been out on a track?? good god.. I have a great idea go and get your car that is comparable and bring it to a track.. bring a C6Z or whatever.. or atleast do some research..
I ran my first car, an 85 IROC, in American Sedan for a few years until things got too expensive. The Mustang 5.0 was a road course joke then, as the current Mustang is a joke now.
Great then you should maybe bring your car out and show the griggs guys what's up.. speaking of that why the f*ck are u even on this forum since u seem to hate and bash mustangs so much..
That Mustang ran a one-off 6.0 engine. How many 05+ Mustangs have you seen with a 6.0? Most other cars were heavily restricted, most notably the Corvette. Most Vette guys have pulled out of that series and have moved up. And don't kid yourself, Ford Racing has thrown quite a bit of money to the Davis'
Of course, I'm sure you're aware that the Oldsmobile Achieva has a superior legacy to the Mustang in that series, right?
Finally, NONE of these "Mustangs" runs anything close to resembling a production engine, unlike the Chevrolet counterparts.
sure it resembles a production engine. Its a DOHC v8 with 5.0L of dispacement. Its just a bored 4.6L so yeah, it does resemble a factory ford modular.
That other guy was saying that the mustang platform was no good for road racing, and like the OP videos and my links to the fr500 race car proves that it is a very good platform for this. Sorry that your butt hurt over this, but facts are facts.
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Great then you should maybe bring your car out and show the griggs guys what's up.. speaking of that why the f*ck are u even on this forum since u seem to hate and bash mustangs so much..
I ran my first car, an 85 IROC, in American Sedan for a few years until things got too expensive. The Mustang 5.0 was a road course joke then, as the current Mustang is a joke now.
Can anyone here on the SVTP forum tell me what domestic race car has more professional road racing wins? Yes, there is one car, a modified stock body domestic race car, that has more professional wins then any other car in America today. It is the same car winning over and over again and it still exists and gets out on the track today.
mrlrd1, care to take a stab at it, you know sooooo much about racecraft and race history, this should be an easy one for you, I'll even give you it's unmatched winning record:
• 28 SCCA regional race wins
• 14 SCCA national race wins
• 29 NASA wins (since 2001)
• 12 track records
• NASA AIX champion in 2002 and 2003
• Undefeated for 20 consecutive races during '02 AIX competition
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For extra points mrlrd1, name the driver that won all those races.
Boys, give mrlrd1 first crack at it, if he doesn't respond by Thursday night the question is fair game to all SVTP members.
the S197 chassis is, IMO, the best chassis for the mustang yet. Its rigidity mixed with the GR setup makes it the perfect road course racer, even when underpowered. This also makes it very forgiving, you have enough suspension greatness to keep you in line and without much power, its much easier to drive it at its fullest.
500hp on tap with a corvette, and mistakes are costly, both in times and money. Its alot harder to get comfortable with 500hp, even with a RR ready getup than 300hp.
Its a great vid and shows the potential of the S197 chassis with the right driver, and right setup.
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2003 Redfire Cobra | 448wp/435wtq | 2.93" Upper / Stock Lower | bunch of other stuff | SOLD
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What it makes me feel though, is sad. I just can't help thinking that thanks to all sorts of things, the environment, the economy, problems in the Middle East, the relentless war on speed, cars like this will soon be consigned to the history books. I just have this horrible, dreadful feeling, that what I'm driving here, is an ending.
This model won the manufacturers title in the Koni Challenge racing series in 2005 & 2008. This was after several attempts to slow the car down- such as a rearend gears change and additional weight. The car is dominate in the GS class.
I'm not getting into the main argument, as I don't have a horse in this race, not having any experience road racing 'Vettes, much less Z06's, and NO experience whatsoever with Griggs 'Stangs, but man, how can you take anything like that above as an authoritative statement? The use of "dominate" in place of where "dominant" should go is one of my VERY absolute pet peeves online.
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I'm not getting into the main argument, as I don't have a horse in this race, not having any experience road racing 'Vettes, much less Z06's, and NO experience whatsoever with Griggs 'Stangs, but man, how can you take anything like that above as an authoritative statement? The use of "dominate" in place of where "dominant" should go is one of my VERY absolute pet peeves online.
And people like you are one of my biggest pet peeves. He misused 1 word which apparantly is the only reason you posted here. Do you have nothing better to do than search the interweb for misused words and comment on them?
To the OP, awesome stang! Wish I could get a ride in that on the track. It seems you do get what you pay for with Griggs!
Can anyone here on the SVTP forum tell me what domestic race car has more professional road racing wins? Yes, there is one car, a modified stock body domestic race car, that has more professional wins then any other car in America today. It is the same car winning over and over again and it still exists and gets out on the track today.
mrlrd1, care to take a stab at it, you know sooooo much about racecraft and race history, this should be an easy one for you, I'll even give you it's unmatched winning record:
• 28 SCCA regional race wins
• 14 SCCA national race wins
• 29 NASA wins (since 2001)
• 12 track records
• NASA AIX champion in 2002 and 2003
• Undefeated for 20 consecutive races during '02 AIX competition
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For extra points mrlrd1, name the driver that won all those races.
Boys, give mrlrd1 first crack at it, if he doesn't respond by Thursday night the question is fair game to all SVTP members.
LOL is this including the TRANS-AM series in the 70's?? hmmm
He misused 1 word which apparantly is the only reason you posted here. Do you have nothing better to do than search the interweb for misused words and comment on them?
"He" (assuming the poster I quoted) didn't "misuse" anything. The word was actually used in the Wikipedia post "he" then quoted. It's one thing to use it in an inauspicious post in a car forum, and it's another for it to be a part of a supposedly authoritative entry. (Yes, I know Wikipedia is mostly user-edited, but a lot of it is usually vetted.)
"He" (assuming the poster I quoted) didn't "misuse" anything. The word was actually used in the Wikipedia post "he" then quoted. It's one thing to use it in an inauspicious post in a car forum, and it's another for it to be a part of a supposedly authoritative entry. (Yes, I know Wikipedia is mostly user-edited, but a lot of it is usually vetted.)
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Yup, you showed us! Ford is the only manufacturer allowed an engine swap from the represented vehicle (the Mustang GT with a 4.6 SOHC). GM and Dodge must even retain the stock airbox!!!!! The Fords go against the purpose of the series, which is "designed to encourage race competition of standard volume-produced cars and components". Ford throws a LOT of money around so execptions are made.
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