Im pretty sure that almost everyone on this board and on modded mustangs would tell you that a well driven NE GT against an avg. driver 96 Cobra, the Cobra wouldnt get stomped out, at all. It would be a close match and even then I wouldnt think the NE GT would even win. Track times are all over the place depending where you are. My old track, you would NEVER see a gear's only 96 GT running high 14's at all guranteed and no, they werent all bad drivers. Even with simple bolt on's, it was pretty hard. From reading on what the guy had, he was a shitty driver and not an avg driver.
(But, IDK what I'm talking about. )
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And...no, a well drivin 2V will not 'stomp the shit' out of an 'average driven' 4V.
OK bieng as were gettingtechnical with words here. I did say CAN, not will everytime. I flat out murdered that mach from a dig. OK I'll change my wording on my origional statement: A well driven bolt on new edge GT CAN beat a stock not so well driven 96-01 Cobra and a mach1
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Originally Posted by ponygt65
Yes, cause a 96 Cobra is exactly like a Mach.
A well driving stock New Edge will net a ~13.7, an average M5 Mach driver will pull out that ET...if not a 'tad' better ~13.5. Even if the mach driver pulled off a 14.00 (which is not average like he stated) that would hardly be "stomping the shit out of". Then again, that depends on one's perception. I wouldnt' call 2-3 lengths a stomping. A Bus length or so....now we're talkin'.
I was comparing a modded 2v to a stock mach, not stock for stock. Which a win for the 2v is still possible, but VERY unlikely.
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Im pretty sure that almost everyone on this board and on modded mustangs would tell you that a well driven NE GT against an avg. driver 96 Cobra, the Cobra wouldnt get stomped out, at all. It would be a close match and even then I wouldnt think the NE GT would even win. Track times are all over the place depending where you are. My old track, you would NEVER see a gear's only 96 GT running high 14's at all guranteed and no, they werent all bad drivers. Even with simple bolt on's, it was pretty hard. From reading on what the guy had, he was a shitty driver and not an avg driver.
The New Edge GT vs 96-98 Cobra debate has been beaten WELL to death. Modded, it really is no comparison. The Cobra will walk the GT when both have full bolt ons and are gared optimally for thier powerband.
Stock for stock at NE GT and a 96-98 Cobra run fairly close track times, with the cobra usually trapping 2-3 mph more. The stock 3.27 gears hurt the Cobras performance the most, while they dont exactly help the GT, they do not hinder its performance as bad. I ran a 13.79 @ 102 with my stock 98 Cobra and a 13.98 @ 100 in my stock 04 GT. A good reaction time vs a bad one can be a deciding factor in a race between those two cars.
Again, excuse me for using the pharse "stomp the shit out of". Just replace it with beat. Regardless of how much the not so well driven 4v loses by, it is still a loss and they would have to fork over the cash if there was any money on the line, Thats all.
OK bieng as were gettingtechnical with words here. I did say CAN, not will everytime. I flat out murdered that mach from a dig. OK I'll change my wording on my origional statement: A well driven bolt on new edge GT CAN beat a stock not so well driven 96-01 Cobra and a mach1
I was comparing a modded 2v to a stock mach, not stock for stock. Which a win for the 2v is still possible, but VERY unlikely.
The New Edge GT vs 96-98 Cobra debate has been beaten WELL to death. Modded, it really is no comparison. The Cobra will walk the GT when both have full bolt ons and are gared optimally for thier powerband.
Stock for stock at NE GT and a 96-98 Cobra run fairly close track times, with the cobra usually trapping 2-3 mph more. The stock 3.27 gears hurt the Cobras performance the most, while they dont exactly help the GT, they do not hinder its performance as bad. I ran a 13.79 @ 102 with my stock 98 Cobra and a 13.98 @ 100 in my stock 04 GT. A good reaction time vs a bad one can be a deciding factor in a race between those two cars.
Again, excuse me for using the pharse "stomp the shit out of". Just replace it with beat. Regardless of how much the not so well driven 4v loses by, it is still a loss and they would have to fork over the cash if there was any money on the line, Thats all.
Ok....now see, that was ALOT better put than you previously mentioned. You not only worded it better, but clarified stock vs. modded.
i wasnt saying that it would stomp a 4valve, i was just referring to the fact that the driver mod makes a huge diffrence!
like the OP story, sounded like he ran into a GT driver that needed a driver mod because from experience, a full bolt on new edge will hang w/ a light modded mach1. i'm on my buddy's rear bumper when we race for the fun of it and he just has gears, cai, tuner and exhaust and my 13.9 was before my full bolt-ons and tune, just havent been to the track to run it. of course, he is on street tire and i'm on 555r's so i hook everytime.
got traction?
Don't bother with the thread, just PIIHB and dump her, screw her sister and her best friend, and then post pics. If she doesn't have a sister, her mom will do.
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I forgot; this is SVTP, we all date supermodels, make 65,000x3 a year and have equipment that would embarrass John Holmes.
I want the guy who ran low 12's to come in with his 2 valve, there was a video on here of a guy with a bolt on gt running mid to high 12's. and just cams and bolt ons hes running low low 12's, hes shooting for traction to run high 11's.
I want the guy who ran low 12's to come in with his 2 valve, there was a video on here of a guy with a bolt on gt running mid to high 12's. and just cams and bolt ons hes running low low 12's, hes shooting for traction to run high 11's.
ill give you a run with my lil 2 valve =) i wish you were closer...everyone around me is either WAYYY Faster......or WAYY slower...im in that random lil 490ish hp530tq area off the bottle..
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i wasnt saying that it would stomp a 4valve, i was just referring to the fact that the driver mod makes a huge diffrence!
like the OP story, sounded like he ran into a GT driver that needed a driver mod because from experience, a full bolt on new edge will hang w/ a light modded mach1. i'm on my buddy's rear bumper when we race for the fun of it and he just has gears, cai, tuner and exhaust and my 13.9 was before my full bolt-ons and tune, just havent been to the track to run it. of course, he is on street tire and i'm on 555r's so i hook everytime.
got traction?
Yep......if your on his heels and he has those mods...he needs to learn how to drive. Granted gears with street tires isn't the easiest from a dig, but that's a mid high 12 sec car.
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Why do we argue over this, we are all oval guys and should not be bitching over the 2 valve 4 valve arguement.
some people are just stubbornly ignorant.
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I want the guy who ran low 12's to come in with his 2 valve, there was a video on here of a guy with a bolt on gt running mid to high 12's. and just cams and bolt ons hes running low low 12's, hes shooting for traction to run high 11's.
YOu say that like it's nothing. Not to say that's not respectable, cause it is, but 'just cams'.
[quote=ponygt65;8530604]Yep......if your on his heels and he has those mods...he needs to learn how to drive. Granted gears with street tires isn't the easiest from a dig, but that's a mid high 12 sec car.
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we're both auto, his best time w/ drag radials was a 13.3, now he has longtubes, tune w/ a 3800 stall and his best time is a 12.8
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I want the guy who ran low 12's to come in with his 2 valve, there was a video on here of a guy with a bolt on gt running mid to high 12's. and just cams and bolt ons hes running low low 12's, hes shooting for traction to run high 11's
I can personally say that I have raced a Mach 1 with wide rear meats and a louder than shit exhaust, twice, and beat him both times....from a 45 and 60 roll.
My car is a 2001 GT 5 spd with 3.73s, 2 chamber flows, cai/tb, an sct chip and some suspension. The Mach was a 5spd also.
If you have this type of attitude towards 2v Mustangs, and you are in a Mach 1, any 03/04 Cobra owner can clown you and tell you that your cars sucks and is too slow to race anybody. Even worse because a Terminator is ahead of the Mach more than the Mach is ahead of a GT.
You have the wrong car if you wanna act like god.
And you obviously don't know much about Mustangs, you are proving that yourself.
I used to think like Stopsign32v until I met this guy on a local forum with a pretty nasty little 2V car. He was only making about 330rwhp out of a built N/A SOHC 4.6, but went low 11's in the quarter with his driver mod and suspension setup. It isn't all about power. That being said, I'd always pick a 4V over a 2V any day of the week. Full bolt-on GT's are right around the stock power levels of Mach 1's. The lower stock Mach 1 gears help out a little too.
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I can personally say that I have raced a Mach 1 with wide rear meats and a louder than shit exhaust, twice, and beat him both times....from a 45 and 60 roll.
My car is a 2001 GT 5 spd with 3.73s, 2 chamber flows, cai/tb, an sct chip and some suspension. The Mach was a 5spd also.
If you have this type of attitude towards 2v Mustangs, and you are in a Mach 1, any 03/04 Cobra owner can clown you and tell you that your cars sucks and is too slow to race anybody. Even worse because a Terminator is ahead of the Mach more than the Mach is ahead of a GT.
You have the wrong car if you wanna act like god.
And you obviously don't know much about Mustangs, you are proving that yourself.
AHAHAHAH......holy shit.....AHAHAHHAHA>...........AHAHAHAHAHHA.....br eathe...snort......AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH...breathe.... ......breathe..slow...AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Oh man. ANd to think, you started your reply off calling him ignorant. AHAHAHAH.wow. Dude....STFU and GTFO with that 'I raced this one dude, this one time, and it had meats on it' crap. You know how high school lame you just sounded? But, but but....I's gotta SCT chip YO!
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I used to think like Stopsign32v until I met this guy on a local forum with a pretty nasty little 2V car. He was only making about 330rwhp out of a built N/A SOHC 4.6, but went low 11's in the quarter with his driver mod and suspension setup. It isn't all about power. That being said, I'd always pick a 4V over a 2V any day of the week. Full bolt-on GT's are right around the stock power levels of Mach 1's. The lower stock Mach 1 gears help out a little too.
I presonally like 2V's and think they make nice DD's with some power. I agree 4V over 2V any day though.
In case no one understood......STOPSIGN IS GOOFING OFF AND 'LIVENING UP' the place 90% of the time.
i own and DD a 2v but i still kick myself for not getting that 99 cobra when i had the chance a couple years back.(he wanted way too much for it, i offered 10k month later he dropped the price and sold for 10k!)
the 4.6 has great potential just that you'll get more out of a 4v than you will a 2v. it's just that the OP, even though he was being sarcastic, just rub a lot of people the wrong way. 4v, 2v, 302 it's still a mustang!
with that being said, at LT motorsports they were dyno at nasty little auto 2v the other day making 500 rwhp on h/c/i and d1 procharger. he was running low 7's before the s/c on a 150shot.
i own and DD a 2v but i still kick myself for not getting that 99 cobra when i had the chance a couple years back.(he wanted way too much for it, i offered 10k month later he dropped the price and sold for 10k!)
the 4.6 has great potential just that you'll get more out of a 4v than you will a 2v. it's just that the OP, even though he was being sarcastic, just rub a lot of people the wrong way. 4v, 2v, 302 it's still a mustang!
with that being said, at LT motorsports they were dyno at nasty little auto 2v the other day making 500 rwhp on h/c/i and d1 procharger. he was running low 7's before the s/c on a 150shot.
I agree and not sayin' that's not respectable, but if it's not making 500RWHP with HCI AND a D1, then I'd presume something's wrong.
I agree and not sayin' that's not respectable, but if it's not making 500RWHP with HCI AND a D1, then I'd presume something's wrong.
You just have to know the OP. He jokes around.
Yea that is kind of weak depending on boost levels. My Auto (3200 stall) 4.6 2V with a built motor with lower compression, mild cams, and T-Trim at 13-15psi put down around 500rwhp. That’s on stock heads and even TB/Plenum too. LOL
You hardly ever see any quick/fast street 2Vs (11s or faster) but its cool having one because no one ever expects it or they think you have something else under the hood after you destroy a "faster" car. It’s also funny when some one asks me how bad the Shelby beats the GT. I laugh and just say the Shelby doesn't stand a chance.... at least not yet.
I like having an under dog but I still know a 4V is better car, I wish I had a 4V just because I'd love to see what numbers Id be making with it.
The gears and tires definately helped. Later that day when I went to pick her up I ran up on a black cammed LS1 SS that I wanted to get lined up to at the redlight in her car. His tag read SINISTR. We didn't get a redlight and he turned off later up the road. That would have been a fun race.
I believe you would have bit off more than you could chew with that one... Especially if he was a stalled auto on some DR's!
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What kinda numbers do Mach's put to the wheels stock? and what do you consider FULL bolt-on? my old 97 non-PI GT put 300whp to the ground and it wasn't full bolt-on in my opinion... and New Edge GT's can do those kinda numbers with ease. It's all in the tune really...
I know that 4 Valve's have more potential dollar for dollar... but if that's your argument, why stop at a Mach? A LS-1, LS-2 or other LS-X powered car has more potential NA than a Mach...
Everyone drives what they like... i like the MOTOR in a Mach... but i'd have to swap it into something else...
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