but before i have to break in new spec 3+, i think both races should be fun, the turbo m3 i'm a lil worried since we got about the same power but he weights about -200lbs (not skirred though) i dunno his tq numbers and/or power under the curve (which plays a big roll on a roll ) heres a vid of it running a low 12 sec turbo probe
the evo race will be from a 45-50 roll, I got 50 extra ponies on the evo (probably more on tq) awd the are not that efficient on a roll race, but i'm not too confident and know I might have my hands full
the evo race will be from a 45-50 roll, I got 50 extra ponies on the evo (probably more on tq) awd the are not that efficient on a roll race, but i'm not too confident and know I might have my hands full
Why does the fact that it is AWD make it less efficient from a roll? If it makes 530whp then it makes 530whp. The fact that the 530whp is going to all 4 has nothing to do with how "efficient" it will be from a roll.
the evo race will be from a 45-50 roll, I got 50 extra ponies on the evo (probably more on tq) awd the are not that efficient on a roll race, but i'm not too confident and know I might have my hands full
Don't forget, AWHP numbers have a bigger impact than RWHP numbers. A 500 AWHP car will be a lot faster than a 500 RWHP car in most cases. Here's a 601 AWHP Evo vs a 644 RWHP C5Z for comparison:
I mean, if you think about it, the car has to spin two rollers, so that takes some numbers away from the car.
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Don't forget, AWHP numbers have a bigger impact than RWHP numbers. A 500 AWHP car will be a lot faster than a 500 RWHP car in most cases. Here's a 601 AWHP Evo vs a 644 RWHP C5Z for comparison:
I mean, if you think about it, the car has to spin two rollers, so that takes some numbers away from the car.
makes some sense, I've just seen races whereas evos are racing cars (either fwd or rwd) with the same power and about the same weight and from a high roll the other car edges out, theres a vid floating around on youtube (just an easy sample) a 600rwhp supra vs 600rwhp evo (supra weights 200+lbs than the evo) and they are neck and neck, take those 200lbs of the supra &match the evo in weight and you know what the outcome would be, there are tons of vids I just don't feel like posting them up, I know what I know (don't need to prove shit to noone) Right stopnsign32v........
for reference, back when I was ported/pullied making 480rwhp I raced a 430hp evo and even though he was the closest race I had I managed to edge him out by 1/2-3/4 of a car by top of 4th
I would be more worried about the Evo personally. They have very aggressive gearing that makes them helacious to 130~140mph depending on how high they are reving. In the hands of someone who can drive(brake boost, pound some gears, knows their cars power curve)....I think you are going to have your hands more than full. At that power level its a 130mph car.
Most guys that own EVO's do a little weight loss. TBE, lightweight battery, spare, is almost 100lbs throw in a 1/4 tank of gas and your at 3050lbs.
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the evo race will be from a 45-50 roll, I got 50 extra ponies on the evo (probably more on tq) awd the are not that efficient on a roll race, but i'm not too confident and know I might have my hands full
I think the EVO will take ya.
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Why does the fact that it is AWD make it less efficient from a roll? If it makes 530whp then it makes 530whp. The fact that the 530whp is going to all 4 has nothing to do with how "efficient" it will be from a roll.
Finally a smart person!!!
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Don't forget, AWHP numbers have a bigger impact than RWHP numbers. A 500 AWHP car will be a lot faster than a 500 RWHP car in most cases. Here's a 601 AWHP Evo vs a 644 RWHP C5Z for comparison:
I mean, if you think about it, the car has to spin two rollers, so that takes some numbers away from the car.
Huh? What? Duh? Errh? Rethink everything you just wrote and then rethink it again. Roll racing is a matter of gearing, avg whp over the rpm range being utilized, aerodynamics, of course driver.
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When I raced that 939 whp ams tuned evo w his boost turned down to like 25/26# it was neck and neck to top of 4th. He said 550 to 600 whp at that setting, idk but closest roll race I ever had. Evo sure didn't seem laggy w that gt42r at 40/45 mph brake boosting it. I was using the nitrous also. Yes he had the evo stripped down also. Mine was at 3860 w me in it.
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Huh? What? Duh? Errh? Rethink everything you just wrote and then rethink it again. Roll racing is a matter of gearing, avg whp over the rpm range being utilized, aerodynamics, of course driver.
LMAO
Smart guy over here is calling shenanigans on someone who actually posted a video to make his point. Against a 'Vette too, no less.
Read my post again, smart guy. I didn't address anything that you're "refuting." I'm talking strictly numbers here, since the OP mentioned his 50 RWHP advantage.
Smart guy over here is calling shenanigans on someone who actually posted a video to make his point. Against a 'Vette too, no less.
Read my post again, smart guy. I didn't address anything that you're "refuting." I'm talking strictly numbers here, since the OP mentioned his 50 RWHP advantage.
And your point is? Did you know Chris Strothers the owner of the infamous black "AMS" evo? The reason the EVO won was due the reasons I mentioned! Not some mysterious AWD vs RWD better theory!! If that 644whp Z06 would have been a 644whp Nitrous powered Vette instead of a centri. SC the EVO would have been walked.
This was the part that made the post stupid:
Don't forget, AWHP numbers have a bigger impact than RWHP numbers. A 500 AWHP car will be a lot faster than a 500 RWHP car in most cases. Here's a 601 AWHP Evo vs a 644 RWHP C5Z for comparison:
due or die, can't wait for this to go down, I'm well aware of my opponent but I think i'll barely edge him out despite of what ya'll think, (gotta love the damn tq) i'll keep ya'll posted..
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530awhp Evo is mean little car on the street IMO you vs EVO it will be drive race (and you need traction)
vs M3 I think ha have the top end advantge.
get those runs on vids for sure.
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Don't forget, AWHP numbers have a bigger impact than RWHP numbers. A 500 AWHP car will be a lot faster than a 500 RWHP car in most cases. Here's a 601 AWHP Evo vs a 644 RWHP C5Z for comparison:
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Moreover, if you are bringing up price wars, why spend 18k on a Cobra when you can get a $3k-$4k Fox body, drop 10k in mods and run low 10s, high 9s and have spent $14k. Price Wars are for Juveniles, which are young broke guys looking for an invalid reason to stimulate their bruised ego.
And your point is? Did you know Chris Strothers the owner of the infamous black "AMS" evo? The reason the EVO won was due the reasons I mentioned! Not some mysterious AWD vs RWD better theory!! If that 644whp Z06 would have been a 644whp Nitrous powered Vette instead of a centri. SC the EVO would have been walked.
This was the part that made the post stupid:
Don't forget, AWHP numbers have a bigger impact than RWHP numbers. A 500 AWHP car will be a lot faster than a 500 RWHP car in most cases. Here's a 601 AWHP Evo vs a 644 RWHP C5Z for comparison:
I didn't say one was better, "smart guy." I just meant exactly what I said: AWHP numbers have a bigger impact, since more power is leeched off their results with having to spin two sets of rollers. That's just my opinion, of course, but history leans towards my theory and bears it out.
Here, an Evo and a Supra with similar WHP doing a roll-race:
Now, don't tell me that the Evo has "superior aerodynamics, gearing and average WHP." Especially against a godly, "king-of-roll-ons" Supra. Granted, driver skill is not accounted for, but in the in-car version of this race (that I don't have the inclination to look for, but feel free), it didn't seem like either driver was doing too bad. Tell me: Would the two responders against me in here be so defensive, if the original race I used as an example wasn't against a 'Vette?
I guess I should have qualified my statement with "with all things being equal," but you two shouldn't be worrying about making excuses for the 'Vette in the video. I mean, you practically just said that it has bad gearing, bad power, bad average WHP, bad aerodynamics, and maybe worst of all, a bad driver. I mean, really? Maybe you guys shouldn't be modding Vettes then, and modding Evos maybe, since the Evo is obviously superior in all categories that involves only the car.
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lol the RWD car has a major advantage on the AWD car when it comes to roll racing.
It does. FWD too, if it has traction. I was talking strictly RWHP vs AWHP as far as its impact to the actual performance of the car. I was trying to clarify to the OP that he shouldn't use his RWHP numbers to compare numbers against an AWHP car. Skylines in the past that were dynoe'd in both RWD and AWD mode showed a variation of 20 to 40 HP between the two sets with the same car and settings. It doesn't mean that the car makes less power in AWD.
its funny how some of you guys make this into a f'ng debate, I haven't f'ng raced the evo yet and here we go, 50rwhp more than the evo is not much to overcome the weight difference I know but what it matters its power under the curve, also torque (which some of you might not know how it affects a race) something that the evo might lack but I can't sign off on that, the evo don't want a dig, he says his race is a 40-45 roll (which I don't care cause I got mickey T's dr's) also look up races between 03-04 cobras vs evos, (not vettes or supras, which I respect, but in this case is a cobra vs evo) whereas the cobra barely making a little more power and get back to me on the results, it can go either way, that's all i'm saying....
) heres a vid of it running a low 12 sec turbo probe 
Why does the fact that it is AWD make it less efficient from a roll? If it makes 530whp then it makes 530whp. The fact that the 530whp is going to all 4 has nothing to do with how "efficient" it will be from a roll. 
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I just meant exactly what I said: AWHP numbers have a bigger impact, since more power is leeched off their results with having to spin two sets of rollers. That's just my opinion, of course, but history leans towards my theory and bears it out.
Especially against a godly, "king-of-roll-ons" Supra. Granted, driver skill is not accounted for, but in the in-car version of this race (that I don't have the inclination to look for, but feel free), it didn't seem like either driver was doing too bad. Tell me: Would the two responders against me in here be so defensive, if the original race I used as an example wasn't against a 'Vette?
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