If you got gas anywhere near the track you are limitd and likely got ethonal crap or 89... one of the stations in Cordova (city) has 91 octane though so if you look for it you can find it.
What day did you run? A quick lookup on Wunderground will tell you how the winds were on that day.
On Saturday (24th) winds were W/NW at 3 ~ 15mph with gust of 18~21mph History : Weather Underground
So more or less my 60ft needs to improve to get my mph up? Im still off the mark with my mhp regardless? 2 tenths will make up 2-3 mph? Im thinking 2-3 mph is quite a bit.
Ask Joe if he filled up on 91 or was it 89? I remember Tye and Matt making fun of the gas station for having 89 octane! Is that what he ment??
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Now that I think about it, that gas station in Albany only had two nozzles 87 and 89. So I had even less octane than I thought. Now I wish I hadn't been running it so hard. The engine felt fine, but I bet some timing got pulled by the computer if any knock was detected.
I talked with Tye about it. Seems that it was 89! Im sure running 91 on factory tune the GXP would run just fine, but not on 89! Looks like we will need to re-run in all fairness.
Thanks CLN 6R for being the go between.
Sorry to everyone for the confusion. Ill have to get my facts straight. BULLOCKS!
Ugh..NEVER get gas in Albany. The pumps are a block from my house and I drive 8 miles to the next station instead of dealing with the rough idle and pinging I get from their gas. The car runs horrible on their gas (no joke) and I know people in town that won't even put it in their lawnmowers.
So more or less my 60ft needs to improve to get my mph up? Im still off the mark with my mhp regardless? 2 tenths will make up 2-3 mph? Im thinking 2-3 mph is quite a bit.
Depends...(weekend drag racers feel free to correct me here... I could have this all screwed up) if you shallow stage your MPH will probably go up from my understanding and if you are deep your mph can be down from what you are expecting. Also I've found that my 60ft itself isn't a great indicator of the rest of my numbers. I've gone 13.3 @ 106mph on a 2.1x 60ft and then 13.1 @ 108mph a 2.1x 60ft... that was merely the difference between bogging on launch and slipping the clutch smoothly. You will have to experiment to find the best way to get the car moving and get your best ET and MPH.
OP, figure excellent conditions you've got another 2-3 mph left.
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Good times. Still think with a 111 trap you should walk your 3V friend, ROFL.
Get the 60 ft down (hard to do on street tires) and you will see a 12.5-12.6 if you power-shift the car.
I ran a 12.9 @ 112, then a 12.99 @ 113 Bone Stock still in the learning stages of the car. Your trap is right about on. Best trap ever was 114-115 which was in perfect conditions with perfect driving.
It's a GXP which is a 2v LS3.
I'm aware of 113mph trap speeds, 114mph is believable and read about it here, but no way on 115mph bone stock. It just keeps climbing as the legend grows...
OP, figure excellent conditions you've got another 2-3 mph left.
It's a GXP which is a 2v LS3.
I'm aware of 113mph trap speeds, 114mph is believable and read about it here, but no way on 115mph bone stock. It just keeps climbing as the legend grows...
Two people have trapped 115 in a Bone stock Terminator. Evan Smith was one of them. He made two passes. 12.4 @ 114, then 12.5 @ 115.
Also, I was referring to this guy racing a 05 GT with some bolt ons from a roll race that trapped a PB of 106 that lost in this exact Cobra. Go figure.
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I thought I would jump in here to join the conversation for myself. A couple of points from the race on Saturday. Density Altitude started out at 300' (before the Mustang gang even arrived), and that's when I ran my 13.129 @ 109.10. It climbed as high as 1066' by 4:30, and then dropped off to 738' by my last run against Tye's '05 modded GT at 5:25. I'm not sure that your mph would have been much higher with a better launch, but your ET would have been. Based on the passes I observed, you gave up a bit on launch. Your Cobra is sharp and quick, and you drive it pretty well. You definitely beat me in our race, but I would have only had you if you drove really badly. You might still beat my under better circumstances, we'll have to see ! Without a passenger and extra weight, and with 93 octane in my tank, I suspect your edge will be alot smaller. It must be interesting to have a 4150 lb race weight OHV sedan hanging with a more nimble Cobra! I can live with that. Once I get a tune and CAI, it will be a slightly different story, but that won't happen for awhile!
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Your car moves more like a light weight thats for sure. I would take the GXP over any SRT8 car. Yes, even the Challenger. Never though i would say that being a Dodge guy at heart! At least Pontiac gave us the GXP before leaving. Super rare car, and fast as hell. Best thing you have over me is comfort. That interior is awesome.
Around 112 stock pulley, tune and exhaust is what I ran w nittos. This weekend ran a 11.85 116 at cfr w lightning pulley and 17" et streets at 3870#. Get those, they were worth .4 sec+ on my car... cfr is better track also, they prep it for joe avg...Def fastest track around here imo. Lot of pb records broke there sat. Small tailwind also. A 2010 stock gt 500 ran a 12.18 w lil m/t drag radials btw. I might think he could of been in 11's w better tire. Those def have mo power than older ones...
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Two people have trapped 115 in a Bone stock Terminator. Evan Smith was one of them. He made two passes. 12.4 @ 114, then 12.5 @ 115.
I'll say no he didn't. Then prove it. Then I'll also say it wasn't bone stock. I would guess weight reduction and accessory belt removed and any other trick in the book disqualifying it as stock.
And who is the second?
Next thing we'll be reading is bone stock Terminators beat C5Zs.
I'll say no he didn't. Then prove it. Then I'll also say it wasn't bone stock. I would guess weight reduction and accessory belt removed and any other trick in the book disqualifying it as stock.
And who is the second?
Next thing we'll be reading is bone stock Terminators beat C5Zs.
You can say that about ANY CAR. Prove that a stock SRT has run high 12s, prove it was stock, prove a GXP has run 12s, prove it was stock.. Prove they had stock tunes, prove they ran air filters, etc.
I've seen a stock Cobra with temporary plates turn 12.65s@113mph here in IL in 50 degree weather at sea level. I'm willing to bet someone has gone faster at MIR, Atco, Cecil, etc in negative DA conditions below sea level.
There are plenty of people who manipulate conditions and get every tenth out of a factory setup, and that goes for every platform, if you're biased it's all too easy to call bullshit on any of them.
Kinda like a kid around here he claims his gto is bone stock and goes 12's and smokes stock or pulley 03 cobras, so My friend with a 317rwhp bolt on mach1 races him 1 night 3 times, 2 roll races and 1 from a dig, and he keeps up, so we ask what he had for mods he says stock so we tell him to pop his hood, he claims stock, yeet he dynoed 390rwhp stock so i lol, I said so u make almost 400rwhp when thats what a 6.0 is @ the crank stock,so i look I see he had headers intake and full exaust, so I said " oh since when does gm give the gto long tubes, k&n pace setter full exaust, and then truth comes out he ran midto low 13's stock, 12's with bolt ons, point proven peoplel ike to lie and mod there car andclaim its stock.
What on average do 03 cobras run with good drivers and good weather? I'm wondering as I'm attempting to get every last tenth out of our 2010 before I mod it. I know people like to play games and tune a "stock car" and call it stock so I'm trying to run 100% stock. The only thing I've done so far is remove the engine cover when at the track to reduce heatsoak and drop rear tire pressures. That has only gained me maybe .05s so far.
William
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What on average do 03 cobras run with good drivers and good weather? I'm wondering as I'm attempting to get every last tenth out of our 2010 before I mod it. I know people like to play games and tune a "stock car" and call it stock so I'm trying to run 100% stock. The only thing I've done so far is remove the engine cover when at the track to reduce heatsoak and drop rear tire pressures. That has only gained me maybe .05s so far.
William
With a good driver in good conditions I'd say 12.7Xs@112mph. It's hard to say though, these cars are all over the map. Some dyno 350rwhp, some put down 370rwhp+ and people claim 113-114mph+ traps. If you look at the power and weight the mph is definitely possible, but with so many people that don't get close to those kind of times people don't believe them despite the performance on paper.
As for people playing games, there is no real way to prove any car is stock, just like if you said tomorrow that your Camaro ran 12.8s there would be no way any of us could prove your car is truly stock.
Also, 03-04 Cobras is one platform that doesn't have a list of fastest factory times. Many people gauge the performance just using magazine times, (which aren't very good). There are so many limiting factors from the factory, (shitty tires, IRS, 6spd, combined with a hard hitting power-band from a roots blower, shitty plastic shift quadrant that makes it difficult to hit 3rd gear, etc) very few avid drag racers really push these cars the way they came from the factory. For people that are big into drag racing it's hard to keep a car stock that will gain 80rwhp+ with a couple mods.
Yea hard to prove car is stock I agree. We're going to keep trying with this car for 12s. I suspect with more seat time and great weather/track conditions I can get this car in the 12.7-12.8 range stock with a 110-111mph range. I'm getting the 60ft down on decent track prep. I suspect I can do it in the next couple weeks. I bet if someone were to put the time into a stock car and practice with it over and over, they could get a 03 cobra into 12.4-5 range without prob. The MPH is there!
You can say that about ANY CAR. Prove that a stock SRT has run high 12s, prove it was stock, prove a GXP has run 12s, prove it was stock.. Prove they had stock tunes, prove they ran air filters, etc.
I've seen a stock Cobra with temporary plates turn 12.65s@113mph here in IL in 50 degree weather at sea level. I'm willing to bet someone has gone faster at MIR, Atco, Cecil, etc in negative DA conditions below sea level.
There are plenty of people who manipulate conditions and get every tenth out of a factory setup, and that goes for every platform, if you're biased it's all too easy to call bullshit on any of them.
They are documented and repeatable. 114mph for Cobra is ultra-rare. Like I said, and you wrote, 113mph has been done. 114mph is believable, but 115mph - no way.
They are documented and repeatable. 114mph for Cobra is ultra-rare. Like I said, and you wrote, 113mph has been done. 114mph is believable, but 115mph - no way.
You don't think a factory Cobra that traps 113mph at sea level can't go out to MIR or ATCO in say -1800 DA conditions and trap 115mph? How do you think C6Zs trap 125-126mph at sea level with a great driver, yet in -DA conditions @ MIR or ATCO Jamie and Ranger will trap 128-129mph?
Anyways, it's a stupid thing to argue about, we are talking about a tiny difference in trap speeds due to excessive wheel spin with an amazing driver in very rare conditions. The trap speed grabber is referring to is never mentioned because the ET was over a tenth slower, but it's far from impossible. If it was on a list on some forum wouldn't make it any truer or more "documented".
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Yea hard to prove car is stock I agree. We're going to keep trying with this car for 12s. I suspect with more seat time and great weather/track conditions I can get this car in the 12.7-12.8 range stock with a 110-111mph range. I'm getting the 60ft down on decent track prep. I suspect I can do it in the next couple weeks.
That would be awesome!
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I bet if someone were to put the time into a stock car and practice with it over and over, they could get a 03 cobra into 12.4-5 range without prob. The MPH is there!
I do hope to get the chance to run at a track against a stock 03-4 cobra. They're definitely faster but would like to see the results in several back to back runs and maybe swapping cars for a run or two. I think it's safe to say it's a driver's race with advantage given to the ligher Cobra.
Back on track, good runs and hopefully you and the GXP can get out and have some more fun!
I am more than happy to meet up with Dwight again. It would be fun, since we never raced on the track. I may even be going to Byron this weekend on Sunday for Test-N-Tune, and he, or anyone else, can come and run me. I am happy to let anyone see anything about my car to prove how stock it is by the way. I leave the hood open in public and readily allow people to inspect it. They could even hook up a computer to verify the stock tune if they had the tables to verify it against.
I will also make sure that I never get gas at that station in Albany, IL ever again. Thanks for the heads-up!
I am more than happy to meet up with Dwight again. It would be fun, since we never raced on the track. I may even be going to Byron this weekend on Sunday for Test-N-Tune, and he, or anyone else, can come and run me. I am happy to let anyone see anything about my car to prove how stock it is by the way. I leave the hood open in public and readily allow people to inspect it. They could even hook up a computer to verify the stock tune if they had the tables to verify it against.
I will also make sure that I never get gas at that station in Albany, IL ever again. Thanks for the heads-up!
If you are interested we have Cordova rented from 8am to 5pm on Saturday (Oct 31st). I know it's a drive for you though maybe you could get a place to crash for the night and catch Byron on the way back home Sunday. haha
(If anyone else is interested just let me know)...it looks like we will be around 75 cars this time so 30+ passes will be easy.
If you are interested we have Cordova rented from 8am to 5pm on Saturday (Oct 31st). I know it's a drive for you though maybe you could get a place to crash for the night and catch Byron on the way back home Sunday. haha
(If anyone else is interested just let me know)...it looks like we will be around 75 cars this time so 30+ passes will be easy.
Thanks for the invite! Unfortunately, I work both jobs on Saturday, so I can be off on Sunday! Cordova is about 200 miles each way for me, but it's usually worth the trip. Have fun!
! Without a passenger and extra weight, and with 93 octane in my tank, I suspect your edge will be alot smaller. It must be interesting to have a 4150 lb race weight OHV sedan hanging with a more nimble Cobra! I can live with that. Once I get a tune and CAI, it will be a slightly different story, but that won't happen for awhile!
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