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BINGHAMTON, N.Y. - A gunman blocked the back door of an immigration services center with his car on Friday before walking through the front door firing, wounding several people and taking dozens hostages, officials said.

NBC's Pete Williams cited city and state officials as saying that as many 13 people might have been killed. But Williams cautioned that the information was very preliminary and may change by because police were still searching the building.

At least 41 people were in the American Civic Association building at the time of the shooting, The Binghamton Press & Sun Bulletin reported.


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Old 04-03-2009, 02:31 PM   #7 (permalink)
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another reason why i carry at ALL times
Wouldn't do you any good in NY since they are a may-issue state and most of the time do not issue. In addition, I don't know of any other state's licenses that NY recognizes.
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Wouldn't do you any good in NY since they are a may-issue state and most of the time do not issue. In addition, I don't know of any other state's licenses that NY recognizes.
It was either NY or NJ but when my father was pulled over for speeding, he informed them that he was carrying. They said that it didn't matter if he had a CCL, it wasn't issued in their state and therefore it wasn't recognized by them. That seems pretty lame to me.
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It was either NY or NJ but when my father was pulled over for speeding, he informed them that he was carrying. They said that it didn't matter if he had a CCL, it wasn't issued in their state and therefore it wasn't recognized by them. That seems pretty lame to me.
Could have been either. Neither recognize out of state CHLs. Texas recognizes both of theirs.

I've heard of Texas LEOs having their firearms taken from them or hassled by NYPD when carrying off duty in NYC even though federal law allows them to carry anywhere in the US. It's a load of crap.
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I've heard of Texas LEOs having their firearms taken from them or hassled by NYPD when carrying off duty in NYC even though federal law allows them to carry anywhere in the US. It's a load of crap.
A guy at the gun class I took was saying his buddy had a New Hampshire LTC and accidently left his gun in his car when he went to go pick someone up at Logan Airport in Boston... he got pulled over and they found the gun and arrested him on the spot. He spent $10,000+ on legal fees and a lawyer to avoid jailtime. So rediculous.
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Not in NY you don't.
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YAY for NY, that way only criminals who don't abide by the laws anyway carry guns ! what idiots.

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This is another incident that gun-control nuts like Rochard will try and use as a reason to ban guns.

In truth, no law written by man or god would have stopped this kook from getting a gun, while the draconian NY gun laws prevented the law-abiding people from having a gun to fight back the moron with.
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It was either NY or NJ but when my father was pulled over for speeding, he informed them that he was carrying. They said that it didn't matter if he had a CCL, it wasn't issued in their state and therefore it wasn't recognized by them. That seems pretty lame to me.
That is correct. You can carry in the state you have the CCL in. Out of state, it's their rules.

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Could have been either. Neither recognize out of state CHLs. Texas recognizes both of theirs.

I've heard of Texas LEOs having their firearms taken from them or hassled by NYPD when carrying off duty in NYC even though federal law allows them to carry anywhere in the US. It's a load of crap.
I heard that officers can carry anywhere in their own state, however when going out of state they need permission from the local PD or they need to turn their weapon in when they arrive to their destination and pick it up when they leave.

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Just a few minutes down the road from the University. We all party on that street. Sad sad event. 12-13 dead now with possibility of lot more injured. The gunmen killed himself. Disgusting act.
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That is correct. You can carry in the state you have the CCL in. Out of state, it's their rules.
Most states that issue CCL's have bilateral reciprocity agreements with the other shall-issue states. Texas has a unilateral agreement with NY/NJ which I think is BS. If they won't recognize our license, we shouldn't recognize theirs, but when you look at the numbers, there are probably only several thousand CCL holders in NY/NJ.[/quote]

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I heard that officers can carry anywhere in their own state, however when going out of state they need permission from the local PD or they need to turn their weapon in when they arrive to their destination and pick it up when they leave.
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