This is what I hear too. SVT is here to stay, so there will be a SVT Mustang Cobra. I bet the Shelby Cobra will be a limited edition like the 10th anniv. Cobra was. I would also bet that only it will have the 5.4 liter engine.
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Still doesn't answer anything really.
From what's been gathered there's going to be 2 Cobras :
Shelby Cobra
Mustang SVT Cobra
Unfortunetly both being called Cobra is confusing the piss out of everyone.
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Wow, I'm surprised he let that out. That's what happens when an 80 year old is full of inside info.
That cat was dying to get out of the bag somehow. 5.4L S/C 500hp Shelby Mustang.....
Rejoice!
Ive followed your careful choice of words on this forum, and I could tell you knew because you would always tell about how "nasty" it was going to be, but yet didnt say a word. I respect you for that but I have to ask. Is this the succesor to the 03-04 Cobras? Or is this going to be the 55-60k Shelby top of the line Cobra, that is above the 40k SVT Mustang cobra that everyone really wants to know about.
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One thing we can be sure of is it won't have the same engine as the 03s and 04s ... motor trend has an article on another car that has the cobra engine and other mustang parts .... they state the the 4.6L supercharged engine is discontinued from Ford ....
That means it will have a different engine than what is currently in the 03's and 04's ..
i told u guys lk 6 months ago it was a twin screw dohc 4v 5.4L. Most likely the shelby is just mods ontop of the base cobra (which has the gt powertrain) all done by shelby. We only did tuning on one motor/output configuration on the test mules.
One thing we can be sure of is it won't have the same engine as the 03s and 04s ... motor trend has an article on another car that has the cobra engine and other mustang parts .... they state the the 4.6L supercharged engine is discontinued from Ford ....
That means it will have a different engine than what is currently in the 03's and 04's ..
Crowley
Panoz bought up the remaining 03/04 Cobra engines from Ford.
i told u guys lk 6 months ago it was a twin screw dohc 4v 5.4L. Most likely the shelby is just mods ontop of the base cobra (which has the gt powertrain) all done by shelby. We only did tuning on one motor/output configuration on the test mules.
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!! Isn't this getting fun?!?!?!
The best is comin'...
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i told u guys lk 6 months ago it was a twin screw dohc 4v 5.4L. Most likely the shelby is just mods ontop of the base cobra (which has the gt powertrain) all done by shelby. We only did tuning on one motor/output configuration on the test mules.
If the future SVT Mustang truely has a GT powertrain, there ain't no way it's coming in remotely close to $40k.
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i told u guys lk 6 months ago it was a twin screw dohc 4v 5.4L. Most likely the shelby is just mods ontop of the base cobra (which has the gt powertrain) all done by shelby. We only did tuning on one motor/output configuration on the test mules.
I heard 3v 5.4 SC not 4v. What would be the pros/cons of 3v over 4v?
If we're talking GT 4v heads vs. the standard 3v Ford 4.6/5.4L castings, there's a HUGE difference in performance capability. The good news is if it does come with a 3v you should be able to swap on some GT heads and a Shelby/GT lower intercooler.
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If the future SVT Mustang truely has a GT powertrain, there ain't no way it's coming in remotely close to $40k.
Why can't it be remotely close to 40k?
Just because someone tried to sell GT motors on their website for 40k by themselves does not make this an exotic motor. The two changes I can see to the drivetrain would be a different tranny and 3v heads, but in my eyes when compared to other ford drivetrains it still isn't that much more expensive then other things they have sold us.
Ask yourself, how much more could an aluminum 5.4 4v s/c be then the following engines we have had
when compared with these engines we've had, I just can't see it being that much more. Granted, the 4.6 aluminum (pre 03) is not really a comparison, but for the sake of the fact that its 4v alone I put it in.
How much did we decide way back when, when ford changed to an iron block for the 03, how much money it really saved? From what I recall, it wasn't much. On top of that, if they kept it aluminum how much more could it have cost to have the block of the 5.4? Once again, it just doesnt seem like much to me. And the R/D on the GT motor is already done and being paid for by Ford GT purchasers, So I think we can see it come in around 40k.
Putting the GT motor in the Cobra would actually help the cost of the engine. Spreading the R&D cost out over the few thousand more cars would lower the cost per engine.
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Apparently the bottom line is we will have a new Cobra Mustang with enough HP to match what ever Chevy or Chrysler comes up with. That's what counts so we will not be sucking hind tit. If we can start out with 5 it won't be that hard to get to 9.
The rumor that it's coming out as a concept has me concerned. They screwed up the '05 Mustang concept-to-production concept, and we all know what they did with the Lightning concept...
Actually, I'm thinking more along the lines of the powertrain R&D work done for the Lightning that was recently cancelled.
S.
I'm thinking the same because I've seen reference made to that in various conversations as well. Lightning got postponed, Cobra got the nod, and SVT just took the next gen truck motor they had in the works and began testing it for a possible cobra application.
Now whether that motor shares/shared any similarities with the GT motor I have no idea. Personally, I think it may share some, at least bottom end wise. Heads are probably a diff story.
As for the Shelby, it could have even more shared parts with the GT up to and including actual heads. Still, I just don't see the Shelby's engine being a complete clone of the GT. A close relative perhaps, but not an identical twin. I don't see Ford doing that to the GT folks. However, with that being said, I could envision a scenario with the motor being so close that for all purposes it is identical, but with just enough changes that Ford can still get away with saying it's not the same as the GT motor.
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I'm thinking the same because I've seen reference made to that in various conversations as well. Lightning got postponed, Cobra got the nod, and SVT just took the next gen truck motor they had in the works and began testing it for a possible cobra application.
Now whether that motor shares/shared any similarities with the GT motor I have no idea. Personally, I think it may share some, at least bottom end wise. Heads are probably a diff story.
As for the Shelby, it could have even more shared parts with the GT up to and including actual heads. Still, I just don't see the Shelby's engine being a complete clone of the GT. A close relative perhaps, but not an identical twin. I don't see Ford doing that to the GT folks. However, with that being said, I could envision a scenario with the motor being so close that for all purposes it is identical, but with just enough changes that Ford can still get away with saying it's not the same as the GT motor.
There's no way it will be the same engine as what is in the Ford GT. Even if it's a 4V 5.4 with a twin screw huffer. But we'll see on the 25th!!!! Hurry up!
Putting the GT motor in the Cobra would actually help the cost of the engine. Spreading the R&D cost out over the few thousand more cars would lower the cost per engine.
ding...ding...ding Economies of Scale
also snorman now i really can't say that...but there was a 500 in there but it was not in normal units...
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