x11 That is exactly my thoughts when I bought my 2010. Also the 2010 is made at the SVT plant in Flat Rock Michigan and not at Shelby's facility in Las Vegas. And because of this (and I might get flamed for this) I sorta see my car more as a Cobra than a Shelby since SVT did build it. And this might be just a internet rumor, but I remember reading Shelby had a 5 year contract and the 2011 is the last year. 2012 should be a 100% Cobra once again. And everyones seen it might have that twin turbo coyote engine, again rumor, but who knows. Time will tell.
It will be a 2011 DeBadged GT500 for me!
Not a fan of any Turbo on a Mustang....not sure why but the "Turbo" is set in my mind as an import/european thing!?
The 2011 should have the Aluminum block......
SVT yes...SHELBY NO.....I plan on Debadging all the "Shelpby" stuff and stick with the SVT Cobra aspect.
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KENNE BELL 2.8 tuned by LUND
2002 SVT Foci- sold
2003 SVT Cobra- sold
2003 SVT Lightning- sold
Wow...really surprising to see all the Shelby haters here. IMHO, the man is the reason the mustang was transformed from a "secretary's car" to a race car back in the day and the reason the mustang returned to dominance in 07. Sure SVT did their part to make the mustang better too...lots of folks contributed to the evolution of this great car. But I do think Shelby started it all as far as performance goes and they continue to crank out fine machines today. I understand if you think the KR is overpriced (I did too at the $82K MSRP) or if you think they charge too much for parts...but to want to strip the name off the car or call it "necessary evil" when it seems the name is why it is here...well I guess I don't get that. I am clearly in the minority here so flame suit on!
____________________________________ Current Stable: '07 Shelby GT500 Vert - Vista Blue, 40th Anniversary Pkg - CSM# 07XL0221 '08 Shelby GT500KR - Torch Red, CSM# 08KR0398 '95 GT - 347 c.i., dedicated race car '70 Mach 1 - Grabber Blue, White Int, 351C 4V, 4Spd, Shaker '08 F-250 King Ranch 4X4 - White / AZ Beige '92 Mustang LX 5.0 Vert" - "Feature Car" - 18K original miles - My son's ride '08 Lexus RX400h Hybrid - The Wife's Ride
Wow...really surprising to see all the Shelby haters here. IMHO, the man is the reason the mustang was transformed from a "secretary's car" to a race car back in the day and the reason the mustang returned to dominance in 07. Sure SVT did their part to make the mustang better too...lots of folks contributed to the evolution of this great car. But I do think Shelby started it all as far as performance goes and they continue to crank out fine machines today. I understand if you think the KR is overpriced (I did too at the $82K MSRP) or if you think they charge too much for parts...but to want to strip the name off the car or call it "necessary evil" when it seems the name is why it is here...well I guess I don't get that. I am clearly in the minority here so flame suit on!
I agree 100%.
Gotta chuckle at the Shelby haters.....how dare someone capitalize on a name/history for profit. I guess Barrack has more supporters then people let on???
I've read some of these last few posts a few times now, and I'm not sure if my comprehension is f'ed up or some of these Shelby owners are.
Are they saying the '10 isn't made in Vegas (which magically makes it mo' better) and that the '07-'09's are???
Or is maxi saying he has a '10 KR that was built in Mi. without a detour through Southern Nevada????
AFAIK, all GT-500's are made in MI. It's up to the owners/dealers whether they end up in Vegas for "upgrades".
My "source" at Shelby says they have a few '10's there as we speak (I'm trying to score the wheels) I guess those '10's are tainted now.
actually kidding guys, X13 - The Shelby name is just a necessesary evil to get the powertain I wanted in a Mustang...
x14...powertrain was the key for me
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Pro Sport Gauges-True Forged- 20 x 9.5- 20 x 11.0
Wow...really surprising to see all the Shelby haters here. IMHO, the man is the reason the mustang was transformed from a "secretary's car" to a race car back in the day and the reason the mustang returned to dominance in 07. Sure SVT did their part to make the mustang better too...lots of folks contributed to the evolution of this great car. But I do think Shelby started it all as far as performance goes and they continue to crank out fine machines today. I understand if you think the KR is overpriced (I did too at the $82K MSRP) or if you think they charge too much for parts...but to want to strip the name off the car or call it "necessary evil" when it seems the name is why it is here...well I guess I don't get that. I am clearly in the minority here so flame suit on!
I have total respect for what he did in the '60s. Not only with the Mustang but with the Cobra and Ford GT.
He is, IMHO, without a doubt a legend and the very reason we have high performance mustangs of this caliber.
I don't hate Shelby in any way, shape, or form, and that is why a story like this TRULY saddens me.
If I did hate him, and others did, I suspect this wouldn't be such a big story. It's the fact that we DO respect him and are dumbfounded as to why something like this would even happen.
I can't speak for others for sure though... but I suspect that's why there is such outrage over this.
As far as having the "Shelby" name on my car... I like that it's on there, but I didn't like all the ADMs that came with it. I would have traded the nameplate for no ADMs... but that's just me.
(Oh and WTF does Barack Obama have to do with any of this... keep your politics to yourself dude)
...or call it "necessary evil" when it seems the name is why it is here...well I guess I don't get that. I am clearly in the minority here so flame suit on!
Don't take this as flaming, but a friend of mine bought me a very expensive coffee table book last Christmas; Hand Signed, Leather bound, and numbered 127 of 150 "SHELBY"
In that book I read about the whole design process of the 2007-09 Shelby GT500, there is a mass of unique photos and information contained therein. One thing that sticks out in my mind about this car was Mr. Shelbly's actual input on the design process. Aside from appearance adjustments, the only design charactoristic Shelby is responsible for on this car is the rear tires. That's right, the size change from 255's to 285 that's it.
The powertrain, windtunnel testing, braking and cooling systems, and so on were SVT. This car from the get go was an SVT, you'll notice that in many subtle ways such as the FRPP catalogue has stuff listed for the "non-existant" 2007 SVT Cobra, and the sill plates.
The Shelby marketing strategy came in late in the game, much like the 500 HP rating, ever notice the GT500 owner's manual suppliment on list advertised power as 475? That's not a typo, when the manuals were sent for print that is all they had, and they didn't want to have a repeat of the 1999 Cobra problem. It was only through tuning that they later gained the extra 25 HP for it's offical rating.
I don't discount what Shelby and many of the other Ford racers and builder have done to improve the breed, but anyone who thinks their 2007-current GT500 is the result of Shelby's master plan for the Condor platform, is sadly mistaken.
(Oh and WTF does Barack Obama have to do with any of this... keep your politics to yourself dude)
The obama comment was very clear, IMO.....people are knocking Shelby for making (or trying to make) a profit in what is supposed to be a capitalistic society.
They (Shelby) can ask whatever the f they want for the hood......the insurance company can fight all they want over the bill. To knock the old man over this and his other marketing strategies is ridiculous.
Don't take this as flaming, but a friend of mine bought me a very expensive coffee table book last Christmas; Hand Signed, Leather bound, and numbered 127 of 150 "SHELBY"
In that book I read about the whole design process of the 2007-09 Shelby GT500, there is a mass of unique photos and information contained therein. One thing that sticks out in my mind about this car was Mr. Shelbly's actual input on the design process. Aside from appearance adjustments, the only design charactoristic Shelby is responsible for on this car is the rear tires. That's right, the size change from 255's to 285 that's it.
The powertrain, windtunnel testing, braking and cooling systems, and so on were SVT. This car from the get go was an SVT, you'll notice that in many subtle ways such as the FRPP catalogue has stuff listed for the "non-existant" 2007 SVT Cobra, and the sill plates.
The Shelby marketing strategy came in late in the game, much like the 500 HP rating, ever notice the GT500 owner's manual suppliment on list advertised power as 475? That's not a typo, when the manuals were sent for print that is all they had, and they didn't want to have a repeat of the 1999 Cobra problem. It was only through tuning that they later gained the extra 25 HP for it's offical rating.
I don't discount what Shelby and many of the other Ford racers and builder have done to improve the breed, but anyone who thinks their 2007-current GT500 is the result of Shelby's master plan for the Condor platform, is sadly mistaken.
I honestly don't think anyone believes a near 90 year old heart transplant recipient on a myriad of meds had a whole lot to do with the "master plan" regarding the GT-500.
I look at it more as a "special edition" or a "signature series" if you will.
And in these times, especially when in '07 there was really no comp. , I'm surprised/happy Ford even offered this car.
I am finishing up a Vortech equipped '98 Cobra install into a '94 vert. Had to sub out the motor to chassis wiring but other than that it was the easiest swap ever.
Maybe the Shelby haters could do that??? Find a used 500 drivetrsin and a used GT and save a ton of money!!! That way they wouldn't have to see those evil (and over priced) Shelby stickers on their cars.
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That way they wouldn't have to see those evil (and over priced) Shelby stickers on their cars.
I think you and the other fellow are getting a little too hung up on my turn of phrase: necessesary evil, I'm not implying that he is actually evil, perhaps a better phrase might have been 'A cost of doing business" in order to get the SVT engineered powerplant. If Ford had offered an identical car that didn't have the Shelby designation I would have purchased that instead, the name just wasn't a selling point for me. (And judging, a few others as well)
The KR issue is a debacle and I don't hold a certain party particularly repsonsible because I don't know all the facts, but at the end of the day there is a unsatisfied customer here and that is the real tragedy.
I'm not a Shelby hater, never have been, but whoever is running his business doesn't seem to be doing terribly well for him on the public affairs front that's for sure.
Certainly glad I bought the "base" model and have the commonly avalable parts should I end up in a similar situation.
On the other point;
I will also offer than there owners that I have personally spoken with that truely believe their 07-10 GT500 was designed with Shelby's deepest involvement. It's all too common sadly.
I used to be a kool-aid drinker of sorts, years ago when I was much younger, but have since become and open minded consumer, and brand loyalty is important but if a business wants my money they will be earning it.
Interesting discussion here, and no one has resorted to flinging poo yet, good work SVTP.
It will be a 2011 DeBadged GT500 for me!
Not a fan of any Turbo on a Mustang....not sure why but the "Turbo" is set in my mind as an import/european thing!? .
i will pretend i did not see that
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2008 GT500 Grabber Orange, let the modding begin #4773 of 6513 and 1 of 135 in grabber orange with ebony stripes.
Hellion GT500 TT 724/776..... holy shit! tuned on a mustang dyno!
big fan of shelby and mustangs. All though i would never be able to afford a 67 gt500 this was the next best thing for me. as for the kr saga. if I am not mistaken, did the guy who owned the car didnt have full coverage on it? or mislead the ins company by telling them it was a gt500 and not a limited edition kr gt500?
for the record I bought a 400 signature plate for my gt500!
I think you and the other fellow are getting a little too hung up on my turn of phrase: necessesary evil, I'm not implying that he is actually evil, perhaps a better phrase might have been 'A cost of doing business" in order to get the SVT engineered powerplant. If Ford had offered an identical car that didn't have the Shelby designation I would have purchased that instead, the name just wasn't a selling point for me. (And judging, a few others as well).
You can't argue the above except to say we have always paid a premium for Ford's monikers. Try and convince me an "SVT" lightning deserved to be $10,000+ more than a non supercharged F-150.
Same with Cobras etc...
I'll admit I like the guy. I love his history. I like the charity work he does. I like the fact my car is "officially" a Shelby even if it doesn't really mean a whole lot mechanical wise.
I guess I ass/u/me that people are getting butt hurt over the actual $$$ it costs to wear that badge. I have to accept that, but I also think you could build it yourself if it really bothers you.
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The KR issue is a debacle and I don't hold a certain party particularly repsonsible because I don't know all the facts, but at the end of the day there is a unsatisfied customer here and that is the real tragedy..
Agreed......
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I'm not a Shelby hater, never have been, but whoever is running his business doesn't seem to be doing terribly well for him on the public affairs front that's for sure..
In this instance, can't argue.
I have a buddy at Shelby that worked his way up from assemblying(sp?) the Series 1 to some desk job now overseeing the Mustang side. They're certainly not in the charity line of work but they do have a real cool museum and a tour that are both free to the public and the place is always on the list of places to bring visitors.
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Certainly glad I bought the "base" model and have the commonly avalable parts should I end up in a similar situation..
Agreed, don't feel as guilty modding it either. Kinda like my "sportroof" '70....I had no reservations cutting out the front end; wouldn't have done it if it was a Mach or BOSS.
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On the other point;
I will also offer than there owners that I have personally spoken with that truely believe their 07-10 GT500 was designed with Shelby's deepest involvement. It's all too common sadly..
Again, if someone wants to think a near 90 year designed your car.....I'll leave it at that.
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Originally Posted by Darren5.0L
I used to be a kool-aid drinker of sorts, years ago when I was much younger, but have since become and open minded consumer, and brand loyalty is important but if a business wants my money they will be earning it.
Interesting discussion here, and no one has resorted to flinging poo yet, good work SVTP.
Absoulutely, and as much as I jonsed for an '07, I would not pay the inflated prices for one....I don't criticize those that did, but I would much rather have had a Vette when we were 20K over sticker.
At a few hundred UNDER invoice for my '08 (at around 40K) I thought the Shelby was a bargain and I would be hard pressed to duplicate this car starting with a base V6 or GT.
Don't take this as flaming, but a friend of mine bought me a very expensive coffee table book last Christmas; Hand Signed, Leather bound, and numbered 127 of 150 "SHELBY"
In that book I read about the whole design process of the 2007-09 Shelby GT500, there is a mass of unique photos and information contained therein. One thing that sticks out in my mind about this car was Mr. Shelbly's actual input on the design process. Aside from appearance adjustments, the only design charactoristic Shelby is responsible for on this car is the rear tires. That's right, the size change from 255's to 285 that's it.
The powertrain, windtunnel testing, braking and cooling systems, and so on were SVT. This car from the get go was an SVT, you'll notice that in many subtle ways such as the FRPP catalogue has stuff listed for the "non-existant" 2007 SVT Cobra, and the sill plates.
The Shelby marketing strategy came in late in the game, much like the 500 HP rating, ever notice the GT500 owner's manual suppliment on list advertised power as 475? That's not a typo, when the manuals were sent for print that is all they had, and they didn't want to have a repeat of the 1999 Cobra problem. It was only through tuning that they later gained the extra 25 HP for it's offical rating.
I don't discount what Shelby and many of the other Ford racers and builder have done to improve the breed, but anyone who thinks their 2007-current GT500 is the result of Shelby's master plan for the Condor platform, is sadly mistaken.
Your buddy who bought the Shelby coffee table, all I can say is..........he chose to buy it for the price that he paid.
I think that the whole Shelby/Cobra/SVT thing goes much deeper than a "last minute change" in marketing. I think there were two different directions from the beginning as it relates to the "then new" top performer Mustang plans, one was Ford's plans (and they make the final call) and then SVT/Ford Racings plans. I believe that SVT and Ford Racing had their group of guys who had plans to continue the same game plan as had been in place since 1993, but Ford Marketing and the upper management at Ford had a plan that was not what SVT/Ford Racing was thinking. I believe that SVT rolled out their info. on the "concept 2007 S/C Mustang" complete with Cobra identification, Ford Racing had their race car with "COBRA" on the front bumper, but in the background, the upper management was contacting S.A.I. and cutting deals for a truely "retro title" on the new 2007 S/C Mustang. I think that Fords upper management cut the deal with Carrol Shelby, and then told the SVT group this is the way it is going to be, and there has been hateful thoughts since that time. The Cobra logo disappeared, SVT is in some small areas on this current car, Shelby's name is the center attraction and the hate goes on. Sorry guys, like I said, it is what Ford calls it. You can strip off badges, call it by another name, cuss Shelby's name, but it is what Ford says it is, they built it.
You will never go to a value guide and see 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 SVT Cobra, it will be a Shelby GT500 forever. 2011 may be different, but now is reality.
funny, b/c without the shelby name its still just a gt500, the man transformed that car moons ago. I dont see a trend setter in modern times just a memory of a platform that can be built on.
I personally get a kick out of people who cream themselves over the name , he charges 50 for an autograph. The guy's name made these cars so expensive that people are not going to spend that much 60k 50k on mustangs that only the owners know the name.
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[quote=Mr. Freeze;8973900]funny, b/c without the shelby name its still just a gt500, the man transformed that car moons ago. I dont see a trend setter in modern times just a memory of a platform that can be built on.
I personally get a kick out of people who cream themselves over the name , he charges 50 for an autograph. The guy's name made these cars so expensive that people are not going to spend that much 60k 50k on mustangs that only the owners know the name.[/QUOTE]
My understanding is that the money from autographs goes to charity.
Could you please explain that last sentence,(re-sized) I re-read it a few times and couldn't figure it out.
Wow...really surprising to see all the Shelby haters here. IMHO, the man is the reason the mustang was transformed from a "secretary's car" to a race car back in the day and the reason the mustang returned to dominance in 07. Sure SVT did their part to make the mustang better too...lots of folks contributed to the evolution of this great car. But I do think Shelby started it all as far as performance goes and they continue to crank out fine machines today. I understand if you think the KR is overpriced (I did too at the $82K MSRP) or if you think they charge too much for parts...but to want to strip the name off the car or call it "necessary evil" when it seems the name is why it is here...well I guess I don't get that. I am clearly in the minority here so flame suit on!
+1
I don't really think there are Shelby haters here. I just think they (the younger enthusiasts) don't fully understand all he did for racing and Ford back in the day. He is a legend and an automotive icon. He gave Mustang the performance image they so desperatly needed in the 60s. Some people say he's too greedy, charges too much for his products etc... I call him a helluva business man. I guess I'm also in the minority here too because I'm glad his name is on my SVT Cobra.
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Your buddy who bought the Shelby coffee table, all I can say is..........he chose to buy it for the price that he paid.
I think that the whole Shelby/Cobra/SVT thing goes much deeper than a "last minute change" in marketing. I think there were two different directions from the beginning as it relates to the "then new" top performer Mustang plans, one was Ford's plans (and they make the final call) and then SVT/Ford Racings plans. I believe that SVT and Ford Racing had their group of guys who had plans to continue the same game plan as had been in place since 1993, but Ford Marketing and the upper management at Ford had a plan that was not what SVT/Ford Racing was thinking. I believe that SVT rolled out their info. on the "concept 2007 S/C Mustang" complete with Cobra identification, Ford Racing had their race car with "COBRA" on the front bumper, but in the background, the upper management was contacting S.A.I. and cutting deals for a truely "retro title" on the new 2007 S/C Mustang. I think that Fords upper management cut the deal with Carrol Shelby, and then told the SVT group this is the way it is going to be, and there has been hateful thoughts since that time. The Cobra logo disappeared, SVT is in some small areas on this current car, Shelby's name is the center attraction and the hate goes on. Sorry guys, like I said, it is what Ford calls it. You can strip off badges, call it by another name, cuss Shelby's name, but it is what Ford says it is, they built it.
You will never go to a value guide and see 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 SVT Cobra, it will be a Shelby GT500 forever. 2011 may be different, but now is reality.
I dont understand why people dont think his autograph is worth $400
Surely you have bought a pro athlete's autograph for big bucks, no?
Despite what you think about him and the new Shelby Mustangs he is still the ledgend that won at Leman and brought us all the great racing Shelby Mustangs and Cobras from the 60s.
The fact that his name is back on a Mustang today is just icing on the cake
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I guess I'm also in the minority here too because I'm glad his name is on my SVT Cobra. 
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