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    5.0 Cammer Motor for sale in market

    Did you guys see the 5.0 Cammer motor for sale in the market? http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...d.php?t=254193 It's a true 5.0 block (one of only 3 released by Ford) and not a sleeved 4.6. It's built, clearanced and balanced to Grand Am specs. The member that has it for sale just finished 4th in the Grand Am race at Daytone last week. That was out of 52 GS class cars and I think close to 80 total cars in the field.

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    ahh, I see mr seafuse has a spare motor for sale
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    At that price wouldn't you just buy a full cammer motor from Ford?
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    I think I would have to agree with Mark on this... can't you buy a brand new crate 5.0 Cammer from Ford Racing for about $15K or so????
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    big difference between the grand-am cup (m-6007-r50) engine and the '5.0 cammer' (m-6007-t50ea). m-6007-t50ea is a street engine with fr500 heads and intake. m-6007-r50 has 00r heads and a grand-am cup intake.

    mark can i get m-6007-r50 without proof i run in g.a.c.? im under the impression i cannot.

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    you may have horsepower, but i have schnauzer power

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    Just tell them you run a GAC car. Like they're going to check!?!
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    Anyone can buy one. Where does it say you need proof of running GAC?

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    in the product description.

    Quote Originally Posted by 93SVTCobra
    Anyone can buy one. Where does it say you need proof of running GAC?

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    Ford is hand building the GAC motors. At this point they are even doing the rebuilds of the motors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShelbyGuy
    in the product description.
    Ahh...I can see how you are thinking that. What is actually means is that if your going to run an 05-06 Mustang in GAC then you have to use that motor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 93SVTCobra
    Anyone can buy one. Where does it say you need proof of running GAC?
    Mark, I spoke with several FR500C teams last weekend at Daytona and they told me that most of the parts for these cars are listed as backordered unless you can prove that you are running an actual FR500C. The Champion Ford Racing team manager told me he can't even buy wheels without providing the appropriate documentation. Apparently even TF Racing had a hard time getting Ford to release a motor for them for last weekend's race because their car is not an actual FR500C.
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    $15k for either motor is a joke.
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    oh i dont know, -t50ea comes with a 12/12000 warranty

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShelbyGuy
    oh i dont know, -t50ea comes with a 12/12000 warranty

    You could have a lot more in terms of quality parts and potential power production via the aftermarket for much less--billet instead of forged rods, higher quality pistons, rings, bearings, etc. There's no reason on earth a well built aftermarket version of the same motor, if kept N/A, wouldn't last at least 12/12,000 either. Carlos (Nazman) just laid down 459/37X rw with his pump gas big vore via MP; which cost nowhere near $15K.
    If you're really concerned with durability/reliability you could make much more power than the FR500C motors do, with the same type of static compression, with a .020" over 4.6.
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    Don't forget you are also paying for an unobtainium block and intake and the design, development, testing and manufacturing of very low production pieces.

    edited for stupid spelling
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    Quote Originally Posted by 93SVTCobra
    Don't forget you are also paying for an unobtaining block
    Isn't that made out of Unobtainium?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ac427cobra
    Isn't that made out of Unobtainium?
    err....what he said......

    Guess that's what I get for watching tv and typing at the same time.....

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    5.0 cammer + body + paint = gorgeous car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 93SVTCobra
    Don't forget you are also paying for an obtaining block and intake and the design, development, testing and manufacturing of very low production pieces.
    Blackforest is renting one for VIR. I've been trying to get Bruce to step up. How about you Mark? Todd?


    You could rent it and let them worry about the parts, transport, and other related issues.
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    Is that for the 12 hour race Bruce? Brian and I might be coming down for that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 93SVTCobra
    Don't forget you are also paying for an unobtainium block and intake and the design, development, testing and manufacturing of very low production pieces.

    edited for stupid spelling

    An identical unobtainium FRPP spray bore block was broken by the Tymenksy's over 4 years ago. It didn't even last as long as their typical WAP/Teksid dry sleeve BBs.
    As for the rest of the cost, agreed, it does all add up. However, that doesn't change the fact that you could have more HP/TQ with greatly increased reliability/durability for much less $ in a stock dimension .020" motor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fourcam330
    An identical unobtainium FRPP spray bore block was broken by the Tymenksy's over 4 years ago. It didn't even last as long as their typical WAP/Teksid dry sleeve BBs.
    As for the rest of the cost, agreed, it does all add up. However, that doesn't change the fact that you could have more HP/TQ with greatly increased reliability/durability for much less $ in a stock dimension .020" motor.
    Correct me if I'm wrong but I though that the Boy Racers were using the M-6010-T50 with is NOT a spray bore block but has iron liners. It was my understanding that the current cammer block is VERY different that the one that was being experimented with a few years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 93SVTCobra
    Correct me if I'm wrong but I though that the Boy Racers were using the M-6010-T50 with is NOT a spray bore block but has iron liners. It was my understanding that the current cammer block is VERY different that the one that was being experimented with a few years ago.

    Even if it was, and I'm not aware that it is, it wouldn't make any difference at all; whether it's iron sleeves or extra Al between bores there simply isn't enough of it. Talk to fellow racer Ted Schwartz about his BB experience. The minimal gasket sealing between bores allows for coolant spillage issues, and also ring/block flex issues. Thank the too small bore spacing of Modular motors.
    Last edited by Fourcam330; 02-08-2006 at 12:06 PM.

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    I freely admit that engines aren't my specialty but logic would tell me that a block that was modified by the aftermarket to be 5.0L's wouldn't be as strong as a block that was factory designed to be 5.0L's. Plus I know that the cammer block has both additional material in certain key places vs the standard block.

    I thought that Ted had a Sean Hyland 5.0L.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 93SVTCobra
    I freely admit that engines aren't my specialty but logic would tell me that a block that was modified by the aftermarket to be 5.0L's wouldn't be as strong as a block that was factory designed to be 5.0L's. Plus I know that the cammer block has both additional material in certain key places vs the standard block.

    I thought that Ted had a Sean Hyland 5.0L.

    You're not hearing me. You can't add any more material between bores regardless of who or how the blocks are made. Don't care if it's depleted uranium between sleeves, the fact is they are too close together (MID wet sleeves are even worse) for any kind of rigidity or proper gasket sealing. You can add as much material as you want to other less critical parts of the block and see no real difference in strength. Take for instance the NVH vs. non NVH Fe 5.4 blocks. Either will stand ~1400HP (1434 actually) but even though the NVH is 24lbs beefier in the mains, it's the bores that distort (even in a standard bore motor) so they are really the same in terms of what they can hold. As I previously said, it's an issue of bore spacing which was largely determined by packaging/overall size requirements.
    Hell even with a T6 356 GT block big bore (5.9L) you will see block flex/ring issues.
    Ted had an MP dry sleeve Teksid big bore fwiw.

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