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    Widest Tires on STOCK rear rims?

    I did a search but I don't want to get different rims or have mine widened. What's the widest tire in stock height I can fit with a stock suspension? All my buddys are rocking 315's on their 03-04's and my sh*t's small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by my69camaro1 View Post
    I did a search but I don't want to get different rims or have mine widened. What's the widest tire in stock height I can fit with a stock suspension? All my buddys are rocking 315's on their 03-04's and my sh*t's small.

    Sorry if this has been asked a million times.
    Like was said 305's are the biggest that can be run on the stock 9.5 inch rim. You can have the rears widened to 11 inches and run 335 nittos if you center the axle with an adjustable panhard bar.


    This thread has a discussion if you are interested.

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    Ok, 305s will do just fine... Is a Nitto 555R 305/35R18 in the ball park, or MT ET Street 305/35R18? Close to stock height?
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    MT's are little shorter than stock, but hook so much better then Nitto's

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    If you are talking what would safely fit or what works best the answer would be different. A 9.5" wide wheel will not support a 305 width tire. In fact most 305 tires will require at a minimum a 10.5" wheel. A 285 IMHO is the widest you would want to go for a 9.5" wide wheel and even that is going to be pinched a tad. Keep in mind that D/R's in 305's, well at least the Nitto's run narrow so that's why they will work sometimes with the OEM wheel and even then Nitto recommends a 10" wide wheel for their D/R. If you are at all into handling the widest you will want to run on the OEM wheel is a 285, in fact you can run 285s on all 4 corners. To run a 305 properly it should have at a minimum a 10.5" wide wheel. If you go to tire rack and plug in the size (couldn't find a tire on tire rack with a 305 section width in a proper 18" size for the Mustang) you will see that the minimum recommended wheel width is 10.5".

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    I have heard of people running 315's, on the stock wheel, but I am thinking of running a 305, and the stock rear size of 285 on the front. I would love to find a good all around tire that will give me a bit more bite, in these sizes and try it out. The stock rears are going to be gone quick

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    Would it be better to get a slightly taller tire or a slightly shorter tire. Nothing seems to match the 27in mark right on... And gears are a way off mod for me.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by my69camaro1 View Post
    Would it be better to get a slightly taller tire or a slightly shorter tire. Nothing seems to match the 27in mark right on... And gears are a way off mod for me.....
    I would go with slightly shorter. As long as the front and rear are within .3" or so from each other in diamater you shouldn' have any problems. If you are going to keep the OEM wheels I wouldn't go above 285's on all 4 corners if you are into corner carving at all. A 305 tire is pinched pretty bad on a 9.5" width wheel.

    On my 997 I am going with a 305 tire on a 11" wide rear wheel which is the OEM size for this car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave07997S View Post
    I would go with slightly shorter. As long as the front and rear are within .3" or so from each other in diamater you shouldn' have any problems. If you are going to keep the OEM wheels I wouldn't go above 285's on all 4 corners if you are into corner carving at all. A 305 tire is pinched pretty bad on a 9.5" width wheel.

    On my 997 I am going with a 305 tire on a 11" wide rear wheel which is the OEM size for this car.

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    the Toyo T1R's I'm getting recommend an 11" wheel for my 305's

    O/P I would get the wheel widen to accommodate a 305...IMO


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    Quote Originally Posted by 09Troublemaker View Post
    the Toyo T1R's I'm getting recommend an 11" wheel for my 305's

    O/P I would get the wheel widen to accommodate a 305...IMO
    Yea minimum rim width recommended is 10.5" with 11" being optimal.

    You are going with 20's right? Toyo doesn't make a 305 in 18's or 19's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastOldGuy52 View Post
    Like was said 305's are the biggest that can be run on the stock 9.5 inch rim. You can have the rears widened to 11 inches and run 335 nittos if you center the axle with an adjustable panhard bar.


    This thread has a discussion if you are interested.

    http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...30zr-18-a.html
    Nitto recommends a 11.5" wheel width for the 335/30/18's. Will the tire fit on the rim with quite a bit of effort yes. However the sidewall is going to be pinched very bad making the footprint distorted. You would be better off with the 305/35/18 on a 9.5" rim as the min recommended is 10".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave07997S View Post
    Nitto recommends a 11.5" wheel width for the 335/30/18's. Will the tire fit on the rim with quite a bit of effort yes. However the sidewall is going to be pinched very bad making the footprint distorted. You would be better off with the 305/35/18 on a 9.5" rim as the min recommended is 10".

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    Looks like its a 1/2 inch either way. My 305 Nittos on 9.5 inch wheels worked great. I suspect the 335 on 11 inch wheels will work just fine also. In fact by adding 1.5 inches to the wheel its increasing by 37.5 mm and the tire going from 305 to 335 is only increasing 30mm so it should fit better than the 305 on a 9.5inch wheel. Unless my calculations are off. I can tell you that the 305 on the 9.5 wheel worked great and had normal appearing wear on them. Other people are running Nitto 335 on 11 inch wheels without issues. My avatar pic is a 305 nitto on a 9.5" wheel.


    9.5 inches X 25.2 = 239.4 mm / 305 mm = .78 11 inches X 25.2 = 277.2mm / 335mm = .82 so there is more rim per mm tire using and 11" wheel with a 335 mm tire than there is using an 9.5 inch wheel and a 305mm tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FastOldGuy52 View Post
    Looks like its a 1/2 inch either way. My 305 Nittos on 9.5 inch wheels worked great. I suspect the 335 on 11 inch wheels will work just fine also. In fact by adding 1.5 inches to the wheel its increasing by 37.5 mm and the tire going from 305 to 335 is only increasing 30mm so it should fit better than the 305 on a 9.5inch wheel. Unless my calculations are off. I can tell you that the 305 on the 9.5 wheel worked great and had normal appearing wear on them. Other people are running Nitto 335 on 11 inch wheels without issues. My avatar pic is a 305 nitto on a 9.5" wheel.
    I think it's more of an issue of sidewall support. The min recommended wheel width is directly off of Nitto's website. The .5" difference for the min recommended wheel width is probably not a real safety issue but it will effect the handling of the car. If I was to do a 305 on a OEM wheel I would have it widened.

    Porsche does the opposite..they stretch the sidewall out to an inch of their life. The 997S comes with a 295/30/19 tire on a 11" wide wheel. That is the max recommended wheel width for this tire. In fact the GT3 comes with Mich PSC's in a 305 width on a 12" wide wheel, .5" beyond the max recommended wheel width.

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    This is interesting

    10" wheel X 25.2 mm = 252mm / 305mm = 0.826 wheel to 1 mm tire [recommended by Nitto]

    11' wheel X 25.2 mm = 277mm/ 335mm = 0.827mm wheel to 1 mm tire

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastOldGuy52 View Post
    This is interesting

    10" wheel X 25.2 mm = 252mm / 305mm = 0.826 wheel to 1 mm tire [recommended by Nitto]

    11' wheel X 25.2 mm = 277mm/ 335mm = 0.827mm wheel to 1 mm tire
    Makes sense, as you go wider by almost a inch in width of tire you get the same ratio when you widen the wheel. The difference is the fact that the 335 tire is wider by more than an inch...by almost 5mm.

    Now a 9.5"X25.2/305 will give you .785mm wheel to 1mm tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave07997S View Post
    Makes sense, as you go wider by almost a inch in width of tire you get the same ratio when you widen the wheel. The difference is the fact that the 335 tire is wider by more than an inch...by almost 5mm.

    Now a 9.5"X25.2/305 will give you .785mm wheel to 1mm tire.

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    What I found interesting was the recommend ratio for the 305 with 10" was 0.826 to 1.0. And the ratio on the 335 with 11" wheel was virtually the same. So I would have to assume that running a 335 on a 11" wheel wouldn't be to bad for the tire performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastOldGuy52 View Post
    What I found interesting was the recommend ratio for the 305 with 10" was 0.826 to 1.0. And the ratio on the 335 with 11" wheel was virtually the same. So I would have to assume that running a 335 on a 11" wheel wouldn't be to bad for the tire performance.
    Ahh, I see...I wonder what is the criteria they use to decide such things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave07997S View Post
    Yea minimum rim width recommended is 10.5" with 11" being optimal.

    You are going with 20's right? Toyo doesn't make a 305 in 18's or 19's.

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    correct-20 inch set-up

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    Quote Originally Posted by 09Troublemaker View Post
    correct-20 inch set-up
    I had T1r's on my 04 E46 M3..loved the tires. Keep in mind that they are a tad slippery the first 500 miles as the agent on them needs to burn off. A few pics of my E46 M3 with Toyo's. Sizes were 255/35/19 front and 285/30/19 rear on a 19X9 and 19X10" RG4 forged wheel. The wheels only weigh 20lbs front and 22lbs rear. I miss my M3.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave07997S View Post
    I had T1r's on my 04 E46 M3..loved the tires. Keep in mind that they are a tad slippery the first 500 miles as the agent on them needs to burn off. A few pics of my E46 M3 with Toyo's. Sizes were 255/35/19 front and 285/30/19 rear on a 19X9 and 19X10" RG4 forged wheel. The wheels only weigh 20lbs front and 22lbs rear. I miss my M3.





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    my G35 with Volks 255/285/20's T1R's. The TT set-up just smoked them into 4th at over 110mph. But they did do a fine job in the twisties




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    Quote Originally Posted by 09Troublemaker View Post
    nice ride!

    my G35 with Volks 255/285/20's T1R's. The TT set-up just smoked them into 4th at over 110mph. But they did do a fine job in the twisties



    Sweet G35..The "Porscheee" (what my boys call the 997) beeds a new set of new rear tires already at 12k miles, which is considered good mileage for the Pirelli Pzero Rosso's that are on there now. I'm going with a 305/30/19.

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