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Thread: Long Tube Headers - Pros/Cons
06-04-2010, 06:19 PM #1
Long Tube Headers - Pros/Cons
I am thinking about buying a set of Kooks LT headers for my Shelby. Does anyone have any issues running LT headers only without any additional upgrades such as ported TB or use of larger size blowers? I have heard from other Terminator owners that the addition of LT headers has yielded negative power results, but wanted to see if this was the case with others who may have tried this.09' GT500 #437/524 in Torch Red and #2615/3004 coupes
Previous Muscle Cars: '05 GTO, '93 Coupe, '89 GT & '86 GT
06-04-2010, 09:05 PM #2
There have been a number of threads regarding the pros and cons of long/short tube headers. Do a search Bro Namath
06-04-2010, 09:44 PM #3
I understand the trade offs between shorties and LT's. I was more interested in seeing if anyone had any issues or regrets with running LT's vs. keeping the factory setup.
06-04-2010, 10:07 PM #4
go ARH! good pick up in power and less boostSold - 06 Vert GT - Vortech H.O. S/C, Tuned by Realspeed - 1320 -11.49 @ 121.45 - Gone but not forgotten
2008 Shelby GT500 - L&M Built Motor - 4.0L Whipple - Lund Racing Tuned - E85 Powered
06-04-2010, 11:00 PM #5
06-04-2010, 11:39 PM #6
Which ones have to be removed to work on the trans? If you leave them on, how are the clearance issues to work on the trans (clutch, etc)? Aren't some significantly easier to work with than others?
www.2008GT500.blogspot.com detailed list of mods and associated pics
2013 TVS powered
Griggs torque arm
06-05-2010, 06:08 AM #7
06-05-2010, 06:39 AM #8
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Recent articles in both major mustang magazines show about a 4/5% increase in hp/tq.
That cost about $1,800.00. Is it worth $1,800.00 for a 4/5% increase in hp/tq. For me it was, the folks at Kennie Bell don’t think it is and discourage there use. (They sell New Blowers) Tom@ARH just installed a set of there headers on his new stock GT500 and gained 20hp & 28tq with the stock Mufflers. (4/5%) [Tom sells headers but he don’t discourage the use of different blowers] The more Engine mods the more I think they must help.2007 Shelby GT500 Vert, Performance White.
American Racing Long Tube Headers~3" Full Exhaust Catless X pipes~2.6 Pulley and Idler
JLT Intake ~Evolution Stage 4 Tune~AFCO Heat Exchanger
BMR Carbon fiber DS !1:3.73s~Steeda UCA & LCAs
Proglass/Profinish Cold Air Hood~Aeroform Sport Bar~35,958 miles in 29 months.
All mods installed by owner
Best 1/4 mile, 11.491 ~Best 60', 1.7.38 ~Best 1/4 MPH 123.33
06-05-2010, 07:01 AM #9
I wouldnt recommend LT headers to anyone who doesnt have a KB/Whipple/TVS. The price and difficult install make it questionable in my mind for anyone not looking to make 700rwhp+. Its just too easy to make 500-600rwhp with the factory manifolds and factory cats. Many also find it difficult to get the exhaust note they are looking for with long tubes.
06-05-2010, 09:58 AM #10
Dynotech don't have to be removed for trans removal
06-05-2010, 10:15 AM #11
If you are going to do LT's why not buy full length and not mid length like kooks, I would not do any that are not full length. Like Robertt305 said dnyotech's do not need to come off for the trans and the install is not near as bad as people say, did mine a few weeks back and they are no where near as bad as I thought it would be.
06-05-2010, 10:23 AM #12
06-05-2010, 12:21 PM #13
Thanks for the great insights everyone. I knew there were two camps to this one. I also considered just buying the 3" Bassani catted system, but they complete setup with mufflers costs more than a set of coated headers with catted x-pipe. Anyone try that setup other than 5.0 magazine?
06-07-2010, 12:04 PM #14
BTW, these were Swain coated and then painted with VHT.
Last edited by ZOMBEAST; 06-07-2010 at 12:05 PM.'09 GT500 Coupe w/VMP TVS
Tuned by Kevin Hand of Wicked Motorsports in Tom's River, NJ
SAE 750 rwhp, 751 rwtq
Best E.T to date with 18" drag radials:
1/8 6.876 @ 108.91
1/4 10.481 @ 138.58
06-07-2010, 12:57 PM #15
Mike did you try to move the motor over before you dimpled the tube?
06-07-2010, 01:28 PM #16
Before I bolted the rack in, I checked it and found the some dimpling was required. I used a marker so I wouldn't go overboard. I'm happy with how it went.
06-07-2010, 01:37 PM #17
06-07-2010, 02:48 PM #18
06-07-2010, 05:08 PM #19
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I also installed a set of ARH 1-7/8 that were coated by Jet-Hot about a week ago. If you have the Lethal lowering kit which I do, you will need to bang on the primaries so that they will not contact the steering shaft. Not a big deal like someone already mentioned but it is a necessity.2010 GT500
Black w/ Silver stripes
HiD's, NAVI, Car cover
06-08-2010, 04:36 AM #20
06-08-2010, 07:25 AM #21
I have the full 3" Bassani catted system on mine. it is loud and you have to take the headers off to do the trans or clutch. And each header tube is its own piece and can make it alittle harder to do. But I love them.
2007 Shleby GT500 - Car Videos on StreetFire
Here is a video with it on on the dyno, track and street so you can gt a idea if you like them.