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Old 11-06-2009, 01:57 AM   #26 (permalink)
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This car has c heads IIRC.

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With those mods you should hit high 12s with good tires and solid driving, and mid to low 12s no problem with the spray. I'd swap those 4.10s out for 4.30s or 4.56s, though.
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Old 11-06-2009, 02:03 AM   #27 (permalink)
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if that car could get the suspension dialed in so it wouldnt buck up and down he would have a much faster smoother running car, the suspension set up on that car is all wrong
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Old 11-06-2009, 07:55 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Nice,
My car made that on 8lbs with a stock motor...
lol, and i love your car man very very sharp!!! wat lowering springs you got?
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Old 11-06-2009, 07:58 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Old 11-06-2009, 08:10 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Jesus..that car was hoping all the way down the strip...definitely would run a lot better times with a dialed suspension.
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ok, heres another question... will ford gt cam swap help the car any? and wat will i need spring wise for the ford gt cams?
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Old 11-06-2009, 03:07 PM   #32 (permalink)
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ok, heres another question... will ford gt cam swap help the car any? and wat will i need spring wise for the ford gt cams?
NO, it will hurt performance.
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Old 11-06-2009, 05:12 PM   #33 (permalink)
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ok, heres another question... will ford gt cam swap help the car any? and wat will i need spring wise for the ford gt cams?
That would be a down grade. The stock cams have more duration.
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Old 11-06-2009, 05:54 PM   #34 (permalink)
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410rwhp with a stock shortblock, what was the setup?
FR500 cams, heads and intake

It's not hard to get power out of these. In fact it's very easy to do with the right parts. I see people putting together mismatched combinations everyday and they end up spending a lot of money and with little power. A few well spent dollars can go far.
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Old 11-06-2009, 06:09 PM   #35 (permalink)
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my old 96, made 393rwhp/430rwtq with full bolt-ons and 100nx shot. that was alot of fun.

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simple na is bad ass... i rather make 400na then 450 with a blower.. oh and na will still be faster lol
isnt power, power? how is 400rwhp faster than 450rwhp in the same car?
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Old 11-06-2009, 06:34 PM   #36 (permalink)
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hey man good luck with your 400hp project. im trying to do the same thing and stay n/a. i just swapped in a 5.4 bottom end and still have my b heads and widened intake. with drag radials or slicks does anyone think i could hit 12's with this setup with full bolt ons minus headers? also what gains would we see from a ported short runner? and do intake spacers help?
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hey man good luck with your 400hp project. im trying to do the same thing and stay n/a. i just swapped in a 5.4 bottom end and still have my b heads and widened intake. with drag radials or slicks does anyone think i could hit 12's with this setup with full bolt ons minus headers? also what gains would we see from a ported short runner? and do intake spacers help?
A short runner is worth 15-20rwhp plus it extends your power band allowing you to rev a little bit higher. But with a 5.4L it may be worth a tad bit more. With full bolt ons, gears, and slicks these cars can go mid 12's. Some people on here have gone 11's with all bolt ons, short runner, a little weight reduction and suspension.

As for the intake spacer, there are many of us wondering the same thing you are. I'm waiting for MMR to answer the question in a form of a dyno graph. I know for the 99-01 and Mach 1's the intake spacer is worth 5-10rwhp.
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isnt power, power? how is 400rwhp faster than 450rwhp in the same car?
Throttle response and less weight.

the natural tendency I have seen in cars is that it takes less hp in a N/A car to keep up with a FI car.
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Throttle response and less weight.

the natural tendency I have seen in cars is that it takes less hp in a N/A car to keep up with a FI car.
What?! Now I understand power to weight, but for a n/a car to keep up with a FI car that is making 50rwhp more the n/a car would have to weigh about 500lbs less. This is given all other factors are equal. Plus a n/a motor is a motor with never ending boost lag
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What?! Now I understand power to weight, but for a n/a car to keep up with a FI car that is making 50rwhp more the n/a car would have to weigh about 500lbs less. This is given all other factors are equal. Plus a n/a motor is a motor with never ending boost lag
I've seen 380rwhp n/a cars whoop up on 450rwhp FI cars numerous times. Me, I'd rather have 400n/a than 450 FI.
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how much are custom grind cams? im having my heads ported and polished over winter and am going to have a set of sticks made for my setup.
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No idea why so many people are hard pressed to stay N/A, but still want huge power. Its really easy to slap a blower on the stock motor and make 450whp and drive the thing every day. A 400whp n/a build will be expensive and you probably won't want to drive it all the time.
you have to have forged pistons for a blower ,s/c or juice!
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I've seen 380rwhp n/a cars whoop up on 450rwhp FI cars numerous times. Me, I'd rather have 400n/a than 450 FI.
Now I can see this happening if the n/a car weighs less and has more aggressive gearing. But all things equal its the laws of physics, 450rwhp>380rwhp.
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you have to have forged pistons for a blower ,s/c or juice!
No you dont. If all the OP wants is 400rwhp he does not need a forged rotating assembly if he adds boost. Now if he wants 600rwhp than yes.
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I love the sound of my cams and being different than every other car.

I didn't want to be like every other sn95 Cobra..and just be bolt on and gears with a centri-blower...

its not just a numbers game for me, 450rwhp is nice and all..but I'd rather have my setup than that to be honest. N/A or Whipple for me.
i totally agree!

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No you dont. If all the OP wants is 400rwhp he does not need a forged rotating assembly if he adds boost. Now if he wants 600rwhp than yes.
Yup, and I'll take my ~600whp blown car over a 400whp n/a car any day of the week
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Yup, and I'll take my ~600whp blown car over a 400whp n/a car any day of the week
It all comes down to how much you wanna spend.

How quick is your car?
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What?! Now I understand power to weight, but for a n/a car to keep up with a FI car that is making 50rwhp more the n/a car would have to weigh about 500lbs less. This is given all other factors are equal. Plus a n/a motor is a motor with never ending boost lag
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Now I can see this happening if the n/a car weighs less and has more aggressive gearing. But all things equal its the laws of physics, 450rwhp>380rwhp.
Actually, a N/A motor is a motor that NEVER has boost lag

I really don't have an explanation for it, but from all the videos and results I have seen from N/A motors..is that they rev a LOT faster and can pull or keep up with FI cars that make more power. Its also not just about numbers...its also WHERE you make your power as well.

I'll take a 500rwhp N/A motor over a 600 blown motor any day of the week. Except for maybe a PD blower, that is a close one.


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ps-your car sounds absolutely sick. end of story.
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Jesus..that car was hoping all the way down the strip...definitely would run a lot better times with a dialed suspension.
Believe me I told him he has his struts wayy too loose. But he wanted the wheels up on the initial hit so it did that all the way down the track. Car had mach1 heads, stroked, and cams. Made 424rwhp. Peak around 7800. Then he hit it with a 200 shot. The motor is torn down/parted out and the owner went MIA.


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Believe me I told him he has his struts wayy too loose. But he wanted the wheels up on the initial hit so it did that all the way down the track. Car had mach1 heads, stroked, and cams. Made 424rwhp. Peak around 7800. Then he hit it with a 200 shot. The motor is torn down/parted out and the owner went MIA.
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