I think that will definitely be added but I'm keeping the 3.55's for a while til i decide what im gonna do for power...options are tork tech eaton swap or TFS h/c/i with an MMR600 shortblock so that will really dictate what gears i go with...if i go blower i'm gonna do 3.73's or 3.90's and if i go with the h/c/i im going with 4.30's. But i'm waiting til then to decide so i dont have to do it over again. But I am looking forward to conversing with you in the coming weeks about the kit and praising it up one side and back down the other. Think that there is gonna be any difference in feel on my GT over a Cobra? I figured that my car might be more balanced than a cobra would be as i have less weight over the front. Thoughts on that?
I think that will definitely be added but I'm keeping the 3.55's for a while til i decide what im gonna do for power...options are tork tech eaton swap or TFS h/c/i with an MMR600 shortblock so that will really dictate what gears i go with...if i go blower i'm gonna do 3.73's or 3.90's and if i go with the h/c/i im going with 4.30's. But i'm waiting til then to decide so i dont have to do it over again. But I am looking forward to conversing with you in the coming weeks about the kit and praising it up one side and back down the other. Think that there is gonna be any difference in feel on my GT over a Cobra? I figured that my car might be more balanced than a cobra would be as i have less weight over the front. Thoughts on that?
You will notice a significant difference in ride and handling particularly when going through corners fast. Overall balance is not changing a lot. You will notice the change more in ride quality on a crappy roads and better handling in everyday commuting.
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Unhappy with your IRS?
Got Wheel Hop, a leaking rear cover or a broken halfshaft?
Getting passed on the track by Corvettes? FIX IT!!
ride quality was something that I was slightly worried about just because of the bushings being solid but I hope that youre right...which you probably are just because you know this kit better than anyone. lol
Bruce, I just placed the order through Keith's Pit Stop for everything that you offered pretty much(if you remember that order going through). I cant wait to feel the difference going from a stock SRA to a built IRS with your bushings and coilovers!!! I am super pumped to just attack the twisties with this thing when its all done!!! Cant wait to give a review from a GT standpoint!!!
As I stated before. Unless you are looking to track your car often then this kit probably rocks. If not it's expensive and... Keep reading!
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Haha going from STOCK SRA to FULLY BOOGIED OUT IRS is just gonna be like i died and went to corner carving heaven. lol how bad is the noise with gears installed? I thought about swapping over my 4.10's but i was worried about drivetrain noise and i dont have loud exhaust. I wanna get some dynamat to help but im not running loud exhaust and kinda wanna keep the noise to a min but I dont wanna be running around with an n/a GT with 3.55's. lol If you could let me know your opinion, i'd appreciate it!
Oh here it is... NOISY!!!! You need a loud exhaust to cover up the noise. That's not optimal for those who don't like loud exhausts. Let's scroll down some more...
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Well the 4:10's definitely make more noise than the 3:55's, No Doubt! Plus if your exhaust is fairly quiet, (hopefully it's not 'stock' quiet?) that will mask the noise even less.
I would say you're definitely a Dynomat candidate. Remove the rear seat and install one layer of Dynomatting approximately 2' x 2' on the floorpan directly above the differential. Then put a second layer about 3' x 3' directly over the smaller one. That should make the noise much less annoying for you.
The magic word here is "Annoying" Thank you for confirming my point. I am not trying to bash your kit AC. Just trying to shed some light on the OP's options that's all. BTW my car seems to handle just fine. I not only have H&R race springs, but I have a strut tower brace, sub frames, caster camber plates, diff cover brace (for safety), diff bushings, and stickier tires. Afterwhich, I took it to a top notch alignment shop. I did my homework about wheel hop and have read your info before taking the path I did. But what I found is that many people eliminate most if not all hop from these mods alone. No sense going extreme unless you need to is what I feel.
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As I stated before. Unless you are looking to track your car often then this kit probably rocks. If not it's expensive and... Keep reading!
Expensive is a relative term. Our kit is priced more than $150 less and up to over $300 less (depending on your options) than our nearest competitor!
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Oh here it is... NOISY!!!! You need a loud exhaust to cover up the noise. That's not optimal for those who don't like loud exhausts. Let's scroll down some more...
The magic word here is "Annoying" Thank you for confirming my point. I am not trying to bash your kit AC. Just trying to shed some light on the OP's options that's all.
First of all, I have ALWAYS been up front with EVERYBODY about the elevated NVH involved with the installation of the solid aluminum front diff mounts. If you don't believe me, read the FAQ on our site:
Having said that, I have also had NUMEROUS people tell me they can't even hear the elevated NVH from the diff mounts. I've had THE VAST MAJORITY of people tell me the increased NVH doesn't even bother them and they have no problem with it because they love what the kit has done to the performance of their car that they don't care. I have only had a SMALL MINORITY of people tell me the noise is bad or very bad. This is why I recommend the Dynamatting in these cases. The Dynamatting does a fantastic job.
Besides our kit transfers about HALF of the NVH as compared to our competitors kit because we utilize a Delrin isolated rear diff mount as theirs mounts in solid aluminum.
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I am not trying to bash your kit AC.
If you don't have FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE with what our kit does to an IRS I suggest you either find out for yourself or stay out of the conversation.
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BTW my car seems to handle just fine.
Many people 'think' their car handles just fine.
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I did my homework about wheel hop and have read your info before taking the path I did.
Wheel hop is only a portion of increasing efficiency of an IRS.
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But what I found is that many people eliminate most if not all hop from these mods alone.
Yes, that is correct. Many people have eliminated most if not all of their wheel hop from those mods. Those people also have no idea what the feeling is like having their IRS go around corners like it on rails. They still get a very uneasy feeling when pushing their car hard around corners, like they don't have control of their car. Sort of like the tail wagging the dog.
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No sense going extreme unless you need to is what I feel.
I'm glad that you're happy with your car. Many people are not satisified at the level you are at and that is why they opt for our entire kit!
Listen man if anyone needs to stay out of the convo it's not me. The OP was asking for advice about wheel hop. Not turning his car into a corner carving beast. He never said that's what he wanted. He also seemed to be concerned with price. I don't know about you but a $2000 job with parts and labor sounds expensive to me and other hard working folk. I know you are running a business I understand that. Believe me I do! But being condescending towards people like me who don't have your kit and saying we are clueless about the handling aspect is not cool. And not the point of this thread. You had an off topic convo with another member about your kit and that right there is a violation. I gave my advice and my opinion that's it simple. End of story.
Listen man if anyone needs to stay out of the convo it's not me. The OP was asking for advice about wheel hop. Not turning his car into a corner carving beast. He never said that's what he wanted. He also seemed to be concerned with price. I don't know about you but a $2000 job with parts and labor sounds expensive to me and other hard working folk. I know you are running a business I understand that. Believe me I do! But being condescending towards people like me who don't have your kit and saying we are clueless about the handling aspect is not cool. And not the point of this thread. You had an off topic convo with another member about your kit and that right there is a violation. I gave my advice and my opinion that's it simple. End of story.
A $2,000 job!?!?! Where are you getting your information from???!!! The kit is $675 and a vast majority of our customers install the kit themselves over a weekend?!!?
I was designing and R&D'ing an IRS bushing kit six years before you even became an SVTP member.
My first kit was built exclusively for my own personal use because nobody else made one. After fellow track pals saw and felt the complete and total transformation of the IRS in my car, they wanted kits as well. When these guys picked up the pace on the track from the increased efficiency of my kits, 'their' friends wanted kits as well. As soon as the drag racers and street guys caught wind of what this kit does for wheel hop and straight line performance they also jumped on board as well.
I turned this 'hobby' into a business more than a year ago because I was no longer able to keep up with demand and do it as a hobby. Increasingly more and more people are discovering how vast of an improvement is made in their cars after the installation of this kit. People now love their IRS instead of hating it.
If you've eliminated wheel hop without installing a bushing kit, that's great, but many people are not that 'lucky'. But eliminating wheel hop is only one part of the 'increasing IRS efficiency' puzzle!
BTW my car seems to handle just fine. I not only have H&R race springs, but I have a strut tower brace, sub frames, caster camber plates, diff cover brace (for safety), diff bushings, and stickier tires. Afterwhich, I took it to a top notch alignment shop.
So your sticky tires, how much did they cost? And then add your diff bushings, subframes with install, c/c plates, diff brace, race springs? I think that all adds up to more than the cost of a bushing kit and a case of beer for you and a friend to tackle installing it in a weekend. Good sticky tires are alone almost the same amount of money as the bushing kit, then add on the springs, your diff bushings, c/c plates to correct the alignment from the springs...what youre suggesting will cost quite a pretty penny as well.
And as far as our discussion between bruce and I, thats what we call a thread jacking and while it was a convo not directed at the OP, there was still valuable info discussed and nowhere does it ever say that that is a violation. You bickering back and forth with the wheel hop supression king will really not earn you any respect on this forum. Bruce makes an awesome quality product and he knows his stuff. What worked for you will more than likely not work for a convertible just because of the fact that convertibles naturally have a worse time with wheel hop than coupes. I'd really hate to have the OP go out and buy stickier tires and lowering springs and diff bushings only and have him still have the same problem where he could have spent $675 on a bushing kit and then buy some dynamat and call it a day.
A $2,000 job!?!?! Where are you getting your information from???!!! The kit is $675 and a vast majority of our customers install the kit themselves over a weekend?!!?
I was designing and R&D'ing an IRS bushing kit six years before you even became an SVTP member.
My first kit was built exclusively for my own personal use because nobody else made one. After fellow track pals saw and felt the complete and total transformation of the IRS in my car, they wanted kits as well. When these guys picked up the pace on the track from the increased efficiency of my kits, 'their' friends wanted kits as well. As soon as the drag racers and street guys caught wind of what this kit does for wheel hop and straight line performance they also jumped on board as well.
I turned this 'hobby' into a business more than a year ago because I was no longer able to keep up with demand and do it as a hobby. Increasingly more and more people are discovering how vast of an improvement is made in their cars after the installation of this kit. People now love their IRS instead of hating it.
If you've eliminated wheel hop without installing a bushing kit, that's great, but many people are not that 'lucky'. But eliminating wheel hop is only one part of the 'increasing IRS efficiency' puzzle!
Well said Bruce, you make a better quality product for less money than the brand name competitors and that is evidenced by how many people recommend it. (just in this thread alone.)
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So your sticky tires, how much did they cost? And then add your diff bushings, subframes with install, c/c plates, diff brace, race springs? I think that all adds up to more than the cost of a bushing kit and a case of beer for you and a friend to tackle installing it in a weekend. Good sticky tires are alone almost the same amount of money as the bushing kit, then add on the springs, your diff bushings, c/c plates to correct the alignment from the springs...what youre suggesting will cost quite a pretty penny as well.
And as far as our discussion between bruce and I, thats what we call a thread jacking and while it was a convo not directed at the OP, there was still valuable info discussed and nowhere does it ever say that that is a violation. You bickering back and forth with the wheel hop supression king will really not earn you any respect on this forum. Bruce makes an awesome quality product and he knows his stuff. What worked for you will more than likely not work for a convertible just because of the fact that convertibles naturally have a worse time with wheel hop than coupes. I'd really hate to have the OP go out and buy stickier tires and lowering springs and diff bushings only and have him still have the same problem where he could have spent $675 on a bushing kit and then buy some dynamat and call it a day.
Also well said, for the money, bruce's kit is where it's at. Most cobra owners already have a set of sticky tires, subframe connectors and lowering springs anyway, but that's only part of the equation to getting rid of wheel hop and making the IRS feel as it should.
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03 Mineral Grey Cobra - bolt-ons for now, 2.9 Whipple someday
90 Fox Race-Car - 408W, 12:1 Comp, Solid Roller Cam, MM TA & PHB
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Some times when I'm passing the airport I beat a jet as he's taking off partially down the runway.
Black03 what part of Jersey are you from? I'm up in Bergen county. Labor to put on this kit is in the 1000 bucks range depending where you go. Also this car thing we do is expensive no matter how you look at it. If you are interested I have the full kit on my car and I dont mind if you would like to get a better look/feel of the kit. Right now I'm in the process of getting full coilover's installed followed by set a Toyo RA1's. My car should literally ride like its on rails lol.
Installed bruce's full irs kit this summer. Have kenny brown matrix brace system and stock gears. Installed additional sound deadener completely under rear seat with extra covergage over center section. Big job..but absolutely worth the effort. Much better if you can find a friend to help. Will drastically cut down the time.
The car is not noisier.. Actually quieter and much smoother. Clunking is gone gone gone. Just minor hop in 1st which i believe will be eliminated after extending rear part of sub frame connectors.
The parts of this system are first class and really work to let the system work without any binding. You can hardly know what your missing until you ride in a terminator with this complete kit vs stock.
Had an opportunity to return bushing installation tool to bruce at his shop this summer. It is spotless and impressive. He spent an hour with me talking about parts, mustangs, handling etc etc.
Now i understand better why this systems is as good as it is at a very reasonable price compared with everything else out there.
The guys at Mustang Magic has given a rough estimate of 12-15 hours to do the complete install on here before. They said its a pain in the butt, but works well
About 1.5 years ago, I had the following done on my Vert:
1. Bruce's Full Kit/ Bolts/ Grease Fittings, R. Bump-steer Kit
2. M.M. C/C Plates, R. Diff Shorty Bolts, F. Bump-steer Kit, and Alum. Steering Bushings
3. Install 1/2 Coil Cut Coupe Springs
4. Flush/Fill the R. Diff. and install a B.F. R. Diff. Brace
5. Install a new Ford Fuel Filter
6. 4 Wheel Bump-steer Alignment
Since I did everything at once, the shop charged me 10-11 hours labor. It made it a different, much better car....
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You need a loud exhaust to cover up the noise. That's not optimal for those who don't like loud exhausts. Let's scroll down some more...
Thank you for confirming my point. I am not trying to bash your kit AC. Just trying to shed some light on the OP's options that's all. BTW my car seems to handle just fine. I not only have H&R race springs, but I have a strut tower brace, sub frames, caster camber plates, diff cover brace (for safety), diff bushings, and stickier tires. Afterwhich, I took it to a top notch alignment shop. I did my homework about wheel hop and have read your info before taking the path I did. But what I found is that many people eliminate most if not all hop from these mods alone. No sense going extreme unless you need to is what I feel. 
Where are you getting your information from???!!! 
The kit is $675 and a vast majority of our customers install the kit themselves over a weekend?!!? 
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