Well I re-read your 2nd post and you said you gave it your all and did a 11.68@119 with a 1.71 60'. Well that is still too slow for your power level. With a 1.75-1.80 60' my car with 570 RWHP goes around 11.3x @ 127-128 and that is with a 3600 DA. With 2200 DA and a 1.65 60' my car has gone 10.98 @ 127. So 119 is VERY low for your car, but I figured it might be due to a very poor Density altitude that night. Before you start adding parts to go faster you should probably figure out why you car runs like a ported eaton car.
I put in there, that the car started banging out in 3rd gear like it hit the rev limiter, and I had to shift early. I am sure I would have trapped a bit more, but I didnt make another pass that night. I know it didnt trap that well, my other et on drag radials was an 11.7@122 in the dead of Texas summer. So I know it will run faster. I am not arguing that fact. I guess 2200 DA, you are talking about altitude? I am at sea level. I have no practice with the car, and am planning on getting much more. I was not looking for more power, just trying to get the car to launch basically. That is why I am looking at a launch control, and the line lock was so I didnt put so much extra strain on the diff and brakes. I was pleased with the car for my first time out with slicks on it. I still have to mess around with launch RPM and getting my sync down with the gas and clutch.
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It all depends on what kind of air you run in.... I make about the same HP and have trapped as high as 130 with decent air and as low as 121 with DA of 4300 FT. Each track is different, there are alot of factors that come into play. I would like to see what your Ported eaton would do with shitty air... you would proabably think something was wrong with your car. LOL
Op what was the air like that day I bet that tells some of the story about you low trap speed/ET
Well I did go the track on a shitty day back in July . It was 107 degree out there. My best that day was 11.9 at 120mph with a stock clutch that was slipping and 3.27 gears, I now have 3.73's.
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Not necessary at all. Myself and many others have had no problems running some pretty decent times with 28" tall slicks and 3.55 gears.
Do your research on the WOT box. Bunch of folks have given them a try at the track and ended up removing them. Line Loc would make it easier to do your initial burnouts for sure, but not a difference maker once you get some more practice doing burnouts in second gear.
What have your heard bad about the WOT box, thinking of getting it also.
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Excuse me??? Totally agree with the first part of this sentence, but take objection to the second part. Don't be sleeping on "ported eaton cars". There's a nice group of us that really enjoy racing twin screw setups like yours Younggun.........
So when you ran you 10.88 what was the DA on that day? Was your car full weight on pump gas? stock suspension? because that's what the average ported eaton setup is. You and a handfull of other's are running very aggressive eaton setups. So yes his car run's like the comparable eaton setup (Full weight pump gas). Of course you would love running setups like mine I am at full weight, stock suspension and 91 octane. Yet I have still run with in a 10th of you. Let me put some better gas in more timing and drop some weight and then you wouldn't like it so much. Also it is really hard to compare 2 cars that are in different country's. Our times are at 2 different tracks on 2 different days, too many factor to consider.
I have GREAT respect for guy's getting it done with the eaton. But if you look past the blower's we have on our cars you probably have ALOT more done to your car (weight, tuning, and fuel) to do it.
Here is what a full weight twin screw car does to a ported eaton car with a bit of weight reduction in my neck of the woods and look at the holeshot that the ported car got. Both are pump gas.
I was there that night cobra looked awesome I was kind of shock also to see the 119 trap speed I was out there and managed a 117, car launches great I just think it might be to much tire.
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i'm over in g-p land. where was this run? what track? I usually venture over to houston raceway park to make passes...it's one of the best tracks in the world. worth the 3.5 hour one way drive imo....but only if the weather is cooperating. i'd never go once summer hits. the density alt here will get 3000+ with the heat and humidity. i need 1000 or less i figure it's a waste of a trip
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So when you ran you 10.88 what was the DA on that day? Was your car full weight on pump gas? stock suspension? because that's what the average ported eaton setup is. You and a handfull of other's are running very aggressive eaton setups. So yes his car run's like the comparable eaton setup (Full weight pump gas).
Also it is really hard to compare 2 cars that are in different country's. Our times are at 2 different tracks on 2 different days, too many factor to consider.
if the track is setup correctly (distance of beams), the times will be VERY similar. I ran my car at 4 tracks last year all within 2 months (october / november) and my car ran identical times / mph at each track. 9.98 to 10.02 all at 134-135mph. only way youll see a huge variance is if the air is the complete opposite of decent or the track crew preps shitty imo.
and for the comparable eaton setup...many many eatons have gone 123-126 with just slicks and some great driving. some have even gone high 10s. good air, yeas but youd be surprised what the difference REALLY is from cold air to mild air...not alot
good air, yeas but youd be surprised what the difference REALLY is from cold air to mild air...not alot
i would agree if your talking cold to mild.....but not cold to hot. hrp can see a 5000 ft da change from the depths of august (100 deg, 78% hum, 29.70 baro) to a mineshaft/arctic front passage (39 deg, 25% hum, 30.70 baro)
there is definitely diminishing returns with air quality, especially with a s/c motor. NA cars will be affected more. but no matter how you slice it, 3000+ da is suck ass for a track thats at 19 ft elevation
i would agree if your talking cold to mild.....but not cold to hot. hrp can see a 5000 ft da change from the depths of august (100 deg, 78% hum, 29.70 baro) to a mineshaft/arctic front passage (39 deg, 25% hum, 30.70 baro)
there is definitely diminishing returns with air quality, especially with a s/c motor. NA cars will be affected more. but no matter how you slice it, 3000+ da is suck ass for a track thats at 19 ft elevation
even hot....cold to hot....your only talking 2 tenths, MAYBE 3...say 40 degree's to 90 degree's. if the car is driven and setup the same way. if you see anymore than that then something else changed.
in my own car...I saw NO changes form -500 feet to 1000 feet. same et and mph within half a tenth. its just not as drastic as some make it out to be on our cars.
now if your not letting the car colol down and the ic is heatsoaked there will be more...
Do your research on the WOT box. Bunch of folks have given them a try at the track and ended up removing them.QUOTE]
I have a question about this comment. I just did a search on this and couldn't really find anything where somebody hated it and removed it. I found a few threads where people had trouble setting it up but thats pretty much it. Please show me where these threads are.
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if the track is setup correctly (distance of beams), the times will be VERY similar. I ran my car at 4 tracks last year all within 2 months (october / november) and my car ran identical times / mph at each track. 9.98 to 10.02 all at 134-135mph. only way youll see a huge variance is if the air is the complete opposite of decent or the track crew preps shitty imo.
This is where we here up in my part of Canada are at a very big disadvantage compared to you guys down in your part of the states. On any giving race season we have 2 types of air conditions Shitty and even more shitty. Compare our elevation to yours
Odem, Texas - 72 FT
Silver Spring, Maryland - 341 FT
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada - 2192 FT
Then factor in our brutal humidity and a DA is an average of 3400-4400 on most summer days up here. That is why our best times come right before summer or right before winter when we are at 50F when the air is cool. not to mention our track prep leaves a lot to be desired. So I would love to see all these super fast ported eatons run up here, they won't be breaking any records. LOL
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and for the comparable eaton setup...many many eatons have gone 123-126 with just slicks and some great driving. some have even gone high 10s. good air, yeas but youd be surprised what the difference REALLY is from cold air to mild air...not alot
Key word good air. I made a point of going down to one of the fastest tracks in Canada last summer to get a chance run in some good conditions. the track was at sea level but the day was very humid. DA was at around 2200 ft by mid day. I made to trip with yellow02GT on this board he has the fastest Ported Eaton car in Alberta. His best was 11.41 @ 119 with a 1.60 60" and that was with a Gutted interior and a 3600 race weight with him in it. I ran my best of 10.98 @ 127 with a 1.65 60' and full weight of 3806. So even going from 3400 to 2200 DA makes a huge difference. So yes their are many many eaton cars that run good times but not everyone has a track at sea level with constantly good air. I would love see what ours run with a DA of under a 1000 FT I bet it would still be good for a 10th or 2 and a few MPH. Like I said not taking away from any Eaton cars but I doubt if I came down to where you guys run, there would be any full weight/ pump gas ported Eaton cars or even ones with some weight reduction showing me tail lights like Ironterp was suggesting.
even hot....cold to hot....your only talking 2 tenths, MAYBE 3...say 40 degree's to 90 degree's. if the car is driven and setup the same way. if you see anymore than that then something else changed.
in my own car...I saw NO changes form -500 feet to 1000 feet. same et and mph within half a tenth. its just not as drastic as some make it out to be on our cars.
now if your not letting the car colol down and the ic is heatsoaked there will be more...
LOL -500 to 1000 Sure you would see little difference but try going from -500/1000 to 3400-4400 and it would be like night and day.
This is where we here up in my part of Canada are at a very big disadvantage compared to you guys down in your part of the states. On any giving race season we have 2 types of air conditions Shitty and even more shitty. Compare our elevation to yours
Odem, Texas - 72 FT
Silver Spring, Maryland - 341 FT
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada - 2192 FT
Then factor in our brutal humidity and a DA is an average of 3400-4400 on most summer days up here. That is why our best times come right before summer or right before winter when we are at 50F when the air is cool. not to mention our track prep leaves a lot to be desired. So I would love to see all these super fast ported eatons run up here, they won't be breaking any records. LOL
Key word good air. I made a point of going down to one of the fastest tracks in Canada last summer to get a chance run in some good conditions. the track was at sea level but the day was very humid. DA was at around 2200 ft by mid day. I made to trip with yellow02GT on this board he has the fastest Ported Eaton car in Alberta. His best was 11.41 @ 119 with a 1.60 60" and that was with a Gutted interior and a 3600 race weight with him in it. I ran my best of 10.98 @ 127 with a 1.65 60' and full weight of 3806. So even going from 3400 to 2200 DA makes a huge difference. So yes their are many many eaton cars that run good times but not everyone has a track at sea level with constantly good air. I would love see what ours run with a DA of under a 1000 FT I bet it would still be good for a 10th or 2 and a few MPH. Like I said not taking away from any Eaton cars but I doubt if I came down to where you guys run, there would be any full weight/ pump gas ported Eaton cars or even ones with some weight reduction showing me tail lights like Ironterp was suggesting.
my point up top was even at a different track...using correction factors you should still be on point if the track is setup and prepped. nhra has the numbers they use for corrections to put all cars on a level playing field
Yup racing in 4400 feet of air on a good day is ballz . But still fun
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Give me a break Younggun......I never said anything about showing any twin screw cars my tail lights. I said there's a bunch of ported Eaton folks that enjoy running twin screw setups. Period. And that statement is totally correct. Nothing like racing a car with 100+/- more RWHP than you with a chance to be competitive. I never mentioned Density Altitude, race weight, suspension setup, octane, etc, etc.
I have the utmost respect for twin screw cars. Have a bunch of folks that I race with that are running these blowers quite successfully. But your comment about this OP's car "running like a ported Eaton car" seemed a bit demeaning to me. Then, you state later in the thread that you have great respect for well setup Eaton cars. Maybe I just missunderstood you.
Oh, and to answer some of your questions, I hit my first 10 second pass on 5/17/08 at Mason Dixon Dragway. Ran a 10.99 at 130.30 MPH with a 1.637 60'. The DA was 1,970 ft, car weighed 3,650 lbs with my fat ass, 24 octane tune (normal is 23 degrees = 6-8 extra RWHP) with 101 octane (Torco for safety), with some decent suspension mods, (that I STILL haven't been able to dial in!). And I have personally raced with 9 non-nitrous Eaton cars that have done better than my non-driving arse.......
I was there that night cobra looked awesome I was kind of shock also to see the 119 trap speed I was out there and managed a 117, car launches great I just think it might be to much tire.
Well we are going to try it a few more times with the tires. There are alot of people being rather successful with 28's on here. I know as long as I have been racing, i can get it done.
Here are a couple of my other cars I used to race.
I was there that night cobra looked awesome I was kind of shock also to see the 119 trap speed I was out there and managed a 117, car launches great I just think it might be to much tire.
Man, next time I'm down there, come look me up. It would have been nice to see another Termi!!
Give me a break Younggun......I never said anything about showing any twin screw cars my tail lights. I said there's a bunch of ported Eaton folks that enjoy running twin screw setups. Period. And that statement is totally correct. Nothing like racing a car with 100+/- more RWHP than you with a chance to be competitive. I never mentioned Density Altitude, race weight, suspension setup, octane, etc, etc.
I have the utmost respect for twin screw cars. Have a bunch of folks that I race with that are running these blowers quite successfully. But your comment about this OP's car "running like a ported Eaton car" seemed a bit demeaning to me. Then, you state later in the thread that you have great respect for well setup Eaton cars. Maybe I just missunderstood you.
Oh, and to answer some of your questions, I hit my first 10 second pass on 5/17/08 at Mason Dixon Dragway. Ran a 10.99 at 130.30 MPH with a 1.637 60'. The DA was 1,970 ft, car weighed 3,650 lbs with my fat ass, 24 octane tune (normal is 23 degrees = 6-8 extra RWHP) with 101 octane (Torco for safety), with some decent suspension mods, (that I STILL haven't been able to dial in!). And I have personally raced with 9 non-nitrous Eaton cars that have done better than my non-driving arse.......
You give me a break, then what is "don't sleep on ported eatons" or "we love running setups like yours" those sound like you are suggesting I would have trouble running with your car. But the fact is I wouldn't and that is not taking away from your car at all.
I was not trying to be demeaning to ported eatons in anyway. But your car and your buddies are not the norm. They are setup alot better than the average full weight pump gas Ported eaton car. You are running 101 octane and WAY more timing. Plus the fact that you are much lighter than the average ported cobra. Sorry If I came off the wrong way but if the op's car is running those times in good air it is not running to the most of it's potential and he has addressed that already. It seems that in your area ported car run much faster than around here so I apologize for the poor reference. I was not trying to insult anyone just giving my opinion. For the record I love your car and think it is awesome that you guys can do so well on the stock blower. For me I wanted to keep my car at full weight and on pump gas but still get into the tens..I guess different strokes for different folks.
Fair enough Younggun. After 6 years of running the Eaton, maybe I'm a little too defensive.
Not sure how many Terminators you have there in Alberta, but we have a ton of them in this area and I think your and mine's definition of "average" may be a little different. There are a BUNCH of 03/04's with weight reduction (I've made 26 Rear Seat Delete kits in the last 2 years alone), and many folks around here have run 22-23 degrees of timing on 93 octane. The average ET of the ported Eaton cars in the MACA is 11.40.
I considered going twin screw, and actually bought a 2.3 Whipple, but never even took it out of the box. Just enjoy the Eaton too much, but totally appreciate the extra performance of the twin screw. Too bad you're so far away......be great to have you come to the Terminator Shootout where there's just about every different 03/04 setup out there.
Well we are going to try it a few more times with the tires. There are alot of people being rather successful with 28's on here. I know as long as I have been racing, i can get it done.
Here are a couple of my other cars I used to race.
If you are from the valley you may remember the first one. If it is a bit much tire, I will probably throw some 3.73's in the car.
Yea as far as I remeber I've seen your cars come come down to the valley and race I do know that the Termis do well with 28's, I had gotten to the track right on that race it was awesome to see a Cobra put the smackdown!I tried to go over to see your car, but I think you had booked it. Yea its rare to see a Cobra at EIRT and when your there every LS powered vechicle wants a piece of em.
Well, I cant compete with the top 10 board, but it will get faster, so they will have to bring more to the table. We were gonna try and go to SA one weekend and see how it hooks up there.
Good run...I agree the trap seems a little low, but I say you should get better with time...
I'm expecting 125+ with my KB 2.2 when it sees the 1/4 mile...
Are you running just 17psi?
Bump it up to 19-20psi, and watch those times come down some more, but I agree for ya to get some more practice in...
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those sound like you are suggesting I would have trouble running with your car. But the fact is I wouldn't and that is not taking away from your car at all. 
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