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Old 06-06-2009, 02:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
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2nd time to the track...finally hit 2 good 60s

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Overall disappointed with the way my 2 best runs turned out, lol...
I got a 1.8262 60ft and a 1.8302 60ft with my 28" MT ET Slicks at 15 psi leaving at 4500 dumping the clutch with my 4.10s...
Boy did it feel good
Unfortunately on both of those runs I couldn't get the car in 3rd...
I was wonderin'...never had issues getting the car in 3rd before and was thinkin it had to do with runnin the car to much in to short of a period of time (clutch got hot, please expand?)...Stock clutch still at 45,000 miles...
Just thought I would share that I'm making progress and I should be in the upper 7s soon!
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Old 06-06-2009, 02:29 AM   #2 (permalink)
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May have bent a shift fork. I had this problem with my old T3650 trans. Hopefully its not that though!
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congrats on the improved sixty foot

but shouldn't it be a bit better?? like a 1.6?? i cut 1.8's on315 sumi street tires in my exhaust/gear (4.10) 5spd 04 gt....
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Well yes it should be better. But comin from several 2.0s i'm stoked. I was runnin 15 psi. Next time i will try somethin around 13psi in the 28 MT et slicks.

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Good improvement Joe! Every bit is getting you closer. Lowering that tire pressure should help some more. How long of a burnout are you doing? Second gear? Clutch may be getting hot or as someone mentioned, may be a transmission issue. You can check that on the street.
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congrats on the improved sixty foot

but shouldn't it be a bit better?? like a 1.6?? i cut 1.8's on315 sumi street tires in my exhaust/gear (4.10) 5spd 04 gt....
i hate my 315 sumi's lol thats a good 60' for them tho! getting nittos on monday.

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I would try dropping the tire pressure to about 12psi and if it bogs, raising the launch rpm.
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Yeah, def try 12psi or so. Thats where mine seem to hook the best.
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Good improvement Joe! Every bit is getting you closer. Lowering that tire pressure should help some more. How long of a burnout are you doing? Second gear? Clutch may be getting hot or as someone mentioned, may be a transmission issue. You can check that on the street.
Burnout is about a few seconds...(lookin' into gettin a line lock as I'm starting to love going to the track) I am doing the burnout in 2nd gear. I ran a run at the end and had no problem getting the car into 3rd on the final run.
It seems to me that when the clutch gets hot, I can't get the car into 3rd in the high RPMs...is this possible?
BTW, next time, I will try around the 12-14 psi range...
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do you have a firewall adjuster. I remember when my stocker got warm, 3rd was impossible even on the street. When it gets hot it will suck the pedal down, and your engagement point goes down as well. This means very little disengagement during shifts between the pressure plate and disc.
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I find it an issue that you are only pulling 1.8s with a 4500rpm dump on the ET Streets. I was launching at 3000 on IRS and pulling 1.75s...You will get better with practice though and remember after the burnout the pressue in the tires will increase by 2-3psi...so compensate for that.
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do you have a firewall adjuster. I remember when my stocker got warm, 3rd was impossible even on the street. When it gets hot it will suck the pedal down, and your engagement point goes down as well. This means very little disengagement during shifts between the pressure plate and disc.
Sounds exactly whats going on here...
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I find it an issue that you are only pulling 1.8s with a 4500rpm dump on the ET Streets. I was launching at 3000 on IRS and pulling 1.75s...You will get better with practice though and remember after the burnout the pressue in the tires will increase by 2-3psi...so compensate for that.
My guess is the difference is the track and that I have 28" slicks as well as the 4.10s perhaps... we will see, next trip I'm hopin to get into the 1.7s, but I agree, practice makes perfect

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do you have a firewall adjuster. I remember when my stocker got warm, 3rd was impossible even on the street. When it gets hot it will suck the pedal down, and your engagement point goes down as well. This means very little disengagement during shifts between the pressure plate and disc.
Yup! I missed 3rd a couple passes the other nite as well.. turned the adjuster out 1 rev & all was well the rest of the nite.. I went another 1/4 turn later on..
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I don't have a firewall adjuster but I will put this on my list for future mods...
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hey im curious ... im running a similar setup to the poster ( 2.93 pulley and idlers/tune/kn filter/h-pipe....) what mph should i be seeing ? I ran this car for the 1st time last night netted a 12.6 @ 111 1.9 60ft.. Regular tires...
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hey im curious ... im running a similar setup to the poster ( 2.93 pulley and idlers/tune/kn filter/h-pipe....) what mph should i be seeing ? I ran this car for the 1st time last night netted a 12.6 @ 111 1.9 60ft.. Regular tires...
With upper only you should be seeing around 115 mph. I was hitting 116 with a stock lightning upper, full exhaust and cold air.
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Was fun watching you knock the 60 down the other night man. You also need to remember how hot your car was getting and the possibility that the intercooler pump kicked out on you again. I'd talk to fred, he had one die and replaced it with something else and has never had an issue since. Said it was $80 or so. But from what I saw, that stock clutch was getting pissed and the 2nd gear burnouts might kill it even further. My friend was doing 2nd gear burnouts and was running low 8's and dumping like yourself, let the car cool, did a 1st gear burnout for 10 secs and then went 7.55 @ 93 1.7 60ft ... that's steve's mystic vert I was talking about, all it has is a brace. Definately grab a bag of ice next time too man, need that intercooler coolant cold bro!

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While your out getting a firewall adjuster and quardrant you might as well get a clutch too, the stocker wont last long behind 4500+ rpm launches and 28" slicks.

Your sixties are about .2 off where they should be, if mine sixtied in the low 1.6s i wasnt hookning up and that was with 28" ET Streets and 4.10 gears.

Oh and a line lock and a good second gear burnout will do wonders for your sixty as well as lower tire pressure and a higher launch rpm, 5500 is were mine sixtied best on the ET Streets at anywhere from 10-13 psi.
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Well yes it should be better. But comin from several 2.0s i'm stoked. I was runnin 15 psi. Next time i will try somethin around 13psi in the 28 MT et slicks.
It just take some set timea and finding the perfect balance of launch RPM and tire pressure. Wait until you hit your first 1.5 60 ft. it feels like you are biend pulled into the back seat

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I find it an issue that you are only pulling 1.8s with a 4500rpm dump on the ET Streets. I was launching at 3000 on IRS and pulling 1.75s...You will get better with practice though and remember after the burnout the pressue in the tires will increase by 2-3psi...so compensate for that.
I dont really see the issue at all. He has only made two passes on the slicks and he more than likely hit the tires hard and bogged. A lot of people think a car will automaticly have an amazing 60 ft if you throw on a set of slicks, rev it up, dump the clutch, and dead hook thier way to stellar ET's.

Getting the tire pressure right is essential for a good launch. There needs to be just the right amount of controlled wheel spin. If not it will bog (not enough pressure) and et will suffer. If it spins too much (too much pressure), it is self explanitory that the 60 ft and et will suffer.


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I don't have a firewall adjuster but I will put this on my list for future mods...
Very good idea.
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I dont really see the issue at all. He has only made two passes on the slicks and he more than likely hit the tires hard and bogged. A lot of people think a car will automaticly have an amazing 60 ft if you throw on a set of slicks, rev it up, dump the clutch, and dead hook thier way to stellar ET's.

Getting the tire pressure right is essential for a good launch. There needs to be just the right amount of controlled wheel spin. If not it will bog (not enough pressure) and et will suffer. If it spins too much (too much pressure), it is self explanitory that the 60 ft and et will suffer.



I beg to differ, but maybe I'm a rare case. First time to the track on street tires I couldn't pull better than a 2.2 60' and 13.3@110. But hey it was fun.

Next time out I went 12.3@110 with a 1.7 60'. Same mods except on the 2nd outing I was on ET Streets slicks. Stock pulley, intake and exhaust. I agree with jomo though it could very well be track differences plus I did that on a 100 DA day.
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Was fun watching you knock the 60 down the other night man. You also need to remember how hot your car was getting and the possibility that the intercooler pump kicked out on you again. I'd talk to fred, he had one die and replaced it with something else and has never had an issue since. Said it was $80 or so. But from what I saw, that stock clutch was getting pissed and the 2nd gear burnouts might kill it even further. My friend was doing 2nd gear burnouts and was running low 8's and dumping like yourself, let the car cool, did a 1st gear burnout for 10 secs and then went 7.55 @ 93 1.7 60ft ... that's steve's mystic vert I was talking about, all it has is a brace. Definately grab a bag of ice next time too man, need that intercooler coolant cold bro!

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There is no need to do a burnout in 2nd gear, all it does is cause un-needed stress. A 1st gear burnout is more than adequate.

You should have little to no problem cutting high 1.6's at least with your setup!
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There is no need to do a burnout in 2nd gear, all it does is cause un-needed stress. A 1st gear burnout is more than adequate.

You should have little to no problem cutting high 1.6's at least with your setup!
Kind of interesting you say that...It seems 70% of terminator owners on this thread I read a while back and most I talk to say to do the burnout in 2nd gear...but now I'm leaning toward doing it in 1st!
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Kind of interesting you say that...It seems 70% of terminator owners on this thread I read a while back and most I talk to say to do the burnout in 2nd gear...but now I'm leaning toward doing it in 1st!
Look at the times 70% of Terminator owners are running too. I've always done burnouts in 1st gear on the ET Streets and get plenty of smoke.
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