So by that logic if you hurt the engine and have to replace anything internally it is no longer a terminator. LOL!
In the end, it is a mustang. I don't care what you call mine, just doesn't matter to me. Just be ready when I pull up beside you and don't get caught sleepin.
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I wasnt even aware his original post was directed at you.
Either way, you both have done great things with the Eaton.
"My main question is if a Terminator that sets some kind of record for being fast, and all thats left of the car is a Terminator Exterior Shell and a 4-valve is that really a Terminator Record? Where is the line drawn???"
just figured since I ran 9s just last week and this just comes up...its directed at me...
This is one of those questions that you can ask 10 different people and you will get 10 different opinions.
Is kind of like asking what makes a car a street car.
On a side note regarding records....I think both Badass03SVT's and CobraStrucks records are both very impressive . Both cars went different routes(one more street oriented and one more track oriented) and both set records that most thought would have never been set. I am glad people are different because it keeps everything interesting..
Jake this post wasn't directed at you. This all started with me and some friends of mine having a conversation honestly about what we would consider a street car and what we would consider a race car. Then the conversation shifted and the question was asked is a 03-04 Cobra still a street car if the drivetrain has been swapped to an Auto, Solid Axle, Drag Brakes, no A/C, no Pwr Steering, no Radio, Interior Etc... The answer is technically yes but not to my personal taste. Your car just so happens to be those things. And you did just set a very impressive record with your car. 9's on the Eaton is unheard of and Congradulations. If I was trying to call you out it would be rediculous because all I have now is a bone stock 04 Cobra with 4200 miles on the clock. I have nothing to call you out with. I was just wondering what some of the SVTP guys opinions were about where they thought the line should be drawn. The answer is there is no answer. Its all your own personal choice on what you want to do with your own car. And the fact is that it is your own car and you can do with it what you want. I just know if I intended on building a drag car I would have started with a lower model mustang instead of stripping down a Terminator. ONLY MY OPINION!!!
Exactly what i'm thinking. I know some purist that will vomit on anything that is not a fox-body with a windsor. A terminator is a great car but not a collector car . So i don't see anything bad about extremely modded 03-04 cobra's.
I think these cars wil be VERY collectible in the future if you want to hang on to it long enough and keep it stock. No one does though.
So by that logic if you hurt the engine and have to replace anything internally it is no longer a terminator. LOL!
Yes, as the name "terminator" only applied to the engine desgined by Colletti and SVT.
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In the end, it is a mustang. I don't care what you call mine, just doesn't matter to me. Just be ready when I pull up beside you and don't get caught sleepin.
Jake this post wasn't directed at you. This all started with me and some friends of mine having a conversation honestly about what we would consider a street car and what we would consider a race car. Then the conversation shifted and the question was asked is a 03-04 Cobra still a street car if the drivetrain has been swapped to an Auto, Solid Axle, Drag Brakes, no A/C, no Pwr Steering, no Radio, Interior Etc... The answer is technically yes but not to my personal taste. Your car just so happens to be those things. And you did just set a very impressive record with your car. 9's on the Eaton is unheard of and Congradulations. If I was trying to call you out it would be rediculous because all I have now is a bone stock 04 Cobra with 4200 miles on the clock. I have nothing to call you out with. I was just wondering what some of the SVTP guys opinions were about where they thought the line should be drawn. The answer is there is no answer. Its all your own personal choice on what you want to do with your own car. And the fact is that it is your own car and you can do with it what you want. I just know if I intended on building a drag car I would have started with a lower model mustang instead of stripping down a Terminator. ONLY MY OPINION!!!
technically jakes car will not pass state inspection so it's not a street car. sorry for the dig jake . by the way congrats on backin up the 9 second runs. i think with the new rear in the car it will go 9's consistantly. i have tossed a couple digs at jake from time to time on the local forums and in person about some of the mods he's done. bottom line is its HIS car and his choice to do as he pleases. cant take anything away from what hes done. on another note if you see the car at a local cruise night it looks no different than my car aside from the rollbar and recaro seats. in my opinion it still is a cobra. its just got some creature comforts taken out.
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Yes, as the name "terminator" only applied to the engine desgined by Colletti and SVT.
My point exactly. WHO CARES.
You do realize the shortblock (which you were referring to about people replacing pistons, rods, etc.) is just a 4.6 shortblock right? So long as it's the same design why would it matter if they built the same thing just stronger?
They didn't come up with some crazy engine that was never heard of before or change the design of anything. Hell, using your logic, if you change ANYTHING then it's not a "Terminator" anymore...which is rediculous. It's just a Mustang with a DOHC 4.6 in it, not some insanely engineered car that was unheard of before.
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You do realize the shortblock (which you were referring to about people replacing pistons, rods, etc.) is just a 4.6 shortblock right? So long as it's the same design why would it matter if they built the same thing just stronger?
You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
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Terminator was the code name for the car just as the Shelby GT500 was known as Condor.
I was under the understandimg from the book that the code name came in origin from the engine and then extended to the "rest" of the car later. If I'm wrong I stand corrected.
But we all know from the book that the rest of the car had MUCH less, if any influence from Colletti. He only got what he wanted 100% in the engine.
the fact is, the cars birth certificate specifies it is a terminator. no matter what you do to change it, it is still a terminator. I mean really, it is as simple as that. why people get so hung up on what people do to their cars and then trying to argue that it is not a terminator anymore is just crazy. intended for or not, it doesn't matter. when I call my insurance company, they don't care what is done to it. they want the VIN and that determines my insurance premium. period, end of discussion. now, based on what I have put into it, I can purchase more insurance to cover additional items.
I know the VIN tells a lot more about the car when you call the dealer for parts or something, but still, that doesn't matter. the VIN is still ther certificate of the vehicle and it is illegal to remove. so that car will always be a terminator.
bottom line, you buy the terminator from the dealer or whoever else and it is VIN associated with the car as a terminator from the manufacturer, it will always be a terminator. really isn't hard to understand. it is just that some people have this thought in their head that OMG, they changed this or that. they ruined that terminator. I would never buy that, etc. lol
I agree completely with this^^^. Jusy my opnion though.
aren't we all supposed to be beating up on GM's and Mopar's, not eachother??? although it is VERY IRONIC how this post was made like minutes after Jake set that amazing record(congrats again dude)
can't we all just get along?
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I was under the understandimg from the book that the code name came in origin from the engine and then extended to the "rest" of the car later. If I'm wrong I stand corrected.
But we all know from the book that the rest of the car had MUCH less, if any influence from Colletti. He only got what he wanted 100% in the engine.
I have not read Colletti's book but I was involved with the launch of the Gen II L, Terminator, GT, and Shelby programs. Typically body is always first but given the chassis was already designed and in production I am not sure who started first - Ford or Roush. Either way I'm glad they gave it a fitting name.
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