Anyone else frustrated with Ford over the next GT500?
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YA ME! To this post. I have been waiting for this car and the wait gets longer and longer so I may have to buy a Smellcat or something else.
I'd at least wait till Detroit auto show to see if an announcement is made.
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I have waited this long so maybe I will wait a little longer but if something comes my way I'm done. I will Never sell my 13 Shelby that was a ordered car one more for my kids! Thanks for your post....
What do you want from the new one?
I posted some time ago about Ford's Union Contract at the engine plant including language about the 5.2 being continued and about the Super Duty 6.2 getting a new displacement derivative. Being Ford I'd imagine it would be smaller than 6.2. Ford has been on a weight savings kick so there's a fair amount of chance it will be an aluminum block for the Super Duty. Even if it's not they could have an aluminum variant for Mustang. Custom cams and tuning plus boost gets them to 750+ in the least costly way as Super Duty budget would take care of almost all of the development costs. Just the custom cam designs, tuning, and durability tests would run on the new GT500s budget. So it's feasible.
Ever since '96 and especially since '07 MY the superlative Mustang model has always had a substantially different engine than any lower model. A Voodoo or Coyote may lack that level of differentiation they're looking for. Ford has already played around with the 6.2 in a Mustang (Project 777) and S550 is the first chassis changeover since then. That's why I still think there's a chance we seee an entirely new engine in the new car. Assuming Ford hasn't axed the entire project due to Wall Street pressure...
While I agree with this thought that a new F-series engine would spread the costs and make this feasible, I'm wondering if Ford is willing to rethink their V8 plans in regards to bore centerline. The Coyote and the modular platform has always been displacement challenged due to the tight bore center lines. The 6.2 SOHC had large bores and HUGE potential. Developing one V8 for use in both F-series and Mustang makes better sense than both Coyote and a separate 6.2 based truck motor. An all aluminum DOHC, TIVCT, dual injection, large bore motor would be the pinnacle for modern muscle, much greater potential than pushrod LS/Hemi (although both sweet designs).
Combining best of both worlds from Coyote and 6.2 is logical, and I think Chevy may have trumped us if the rumored DOHC large Corvette motor comes to fruition.
Still, so many variables, but it will be interesting to see to say the least.
-J
No way 1000hp, but nice to dream.I had dinner with a guy tonight that is related to a high up GM executive. He says the new mid engine Corvette is going to be over 1000 hp. If true that thing will shat all over the Ford GT.
-J
Um yeah with pice alone. Weird how cheap the corvette is vs gt, yet the mustang is cheaper than the camaro. It would be nice to afford a gt like you can even a zr1I had dinner with a guy tonight that is related to a high up GM executive. He says the new mid engine Corvette is going to be over 1000 hp. If true that thing will shat all over the Ford GT.
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The 12 zl1 was running 11 before gm changed the tune. What I'm saying is things change.
Even with that we've seen 1k hp cars before and they are not the fastest just based on power. It could very well blow the GT out on most tracks or it could be very competitive. Time will tell. What does the chiron run at LS?
Even with that we've seen 1k hp cars before and they are not the fastest just based on power. It could very well blow the GT out on most tracks or it could be very competitive. Time will tell. What does the chiron run at LS?
It does not work like that. Take a 991 turbo making 600hp and it 1.34 at LS. Now a 1k hp 918 runs 1.30 at LS. But it still runs slower than the 600hp ACR!
Exactly. A side benefit of the 6.2 architecture would be the shorter bores and wider bore spacing leading to a longer but narrower engine which would package more easily. (Shortening the V)
I'm too lazy to Google right now but there was an article in a truck magazine (Truck Trend?) where they slapped ProChargers on Ford and GM 6.2 liter trucks and dyno'd them. It was about 80-horse and 50 ft-lb in favor of the Ford. Same boost, same day, side-by-side. To let that engine not make its way into a production Mustang is a huge missed opportunity.
Seems the 5.2 rumors are more credible. Hopefully they at least throw in rods that can handle the stresses of above stock power without being prone to failure. Also, upgrading those oil pump gears as you're quite familiar with.
I'm also curious about heat dissipation around the exhaust valves on 100mm bore spacing. They achieved pretty fantastic results HP/L-wise on the Ford GT and I'm wondering what they did to keep those valve temps down. That was the limiting factor on Trinity. A redesigned head could be the solution but were the 5.4/5.8 heads really that maxed on coolant flow? Is there much more room in the cooling passages on the newer Voodoo heads to make a significant difference?
I'm down with that J!GT350 package with at least 200hp more
Make it just the like 350R with 200 more HP/TQ please!
Right? And if that's it why not 2 years ago!?
After driving the 350R it's so clear it's near perfect with only deficit I'm seeing in hp/tq as its go suspension and brakes and rubber for days.
-J
A GT500 that tops the ZL1 1LE.
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