GT500 IC/HE Pump Comparison

[Tob]

To date I have yet to see a comprehensive comparison regarding the two electronic pumps that Ford has used for the intercooling system as used on the GT500 vehicles from '07-'14. Hopefully we can get into more detail here.

Ford used two different pumps. The first was a Bosch pump and was used from '07-'12. The latest pump is from Pierburg Pump Technology and was used on the '13/'14. Both pumps have shown up on a variety of different vehicles both foreign and domestic. The Bosch pump is available through a variety of outlets. The one I have was sourced from Buyfordracing and was originally marketed as a "Lightning" pump as the truck also used this pump as original equipment. It comes "pump only" as opposed to the same unit also coming with a bracket when ordered as the GT500 pump.

The Pierburg pump isn't carried through FRPP but can be obtained through Ford's Service network as well as a few other outlets. The design has obviously changed with the lastest unit becoming a bit shorter while also being a bit more rotund. Bosch in all black.

Both pumps come with either a sticker or engraving to identify them. First, the '07-'12 Bosch pump...

The '13/'14 Pierburg pump...

Both pumps use the same diameter hose and use a similar design at each end but clearly have their respective differences. They also use a different connector than one another.

'07-'12 Bosch...

'13/'14 Pierburg...

The two connectors side by side...

I have to run but I wanted to get this one started. We can get into flow rates, etc, as well as the requisite harness needed to retrofit the Pierburg pump into the earlier '07-'12 vehicles. In fact, my favorite UPS guy just delivered one as I was starting to type. More when I can.

Tob

 

[- Aj -]

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[Steve@Tasca]

op:

Should be interesting, thankfully Ford has actually seen fit to list a wiring pigtail for the new pump as well.

-Steve

 

[Catmonkey]

Very timely. I was looking to that '13-'14 pump as an upgrade in the near future.

 

[- Aj -]

op:

Should be interesting, thankfully Ford has actually seen fit to list a wiring pigtail for the new pump as well.

-Steve

:thumbsup:

 

[65fastback2+2]

op:

Should be interesting, thankfully Ford has actually seen fit to list a wiring pigtail for the new pump as well.

-Steve

Part number?

 

[BMR Tech]

Tob, AWESOME.

Question; are you going to go above and beyond, and compare the flow IN THE SYSTEM with each pump?

I have "heard" the new pumps flow about 2-3X more, than the original 07-12 versions. I am not sure if that was "in the system" or just a test with some hoses and buckets...lol

I have a Jabsco Pump:

http://www.amazon.com/Jabsco-50840-0012-Marine-Cyclone-12-Volt/dp/B000O8D2IK

This piece is rated at 29 GPM.

If you are going to flow these pumps in the system, I would gladly send you my Jabsco pump to test against these pieces you have here.

This could end up being a VERY impressive thread with data that everyone has wanted to see, for quite some time.

 

[19COBRA93]

I'm anxious to see the results too.

Something of note... Just looking at the two pumps, it appears to me that the Bosch pump uses a 2-wire brushed motor, and the other is a 4-wire bushless. Generally, the bushless motors are more powerful, more efficient, and longer lasting.

 

[Steve@Tasca]

Part number?

CU2Z*14S411*AYA $14.47 from us.

-Steve

 

[04SNK390HP]

Tob, AWESOME.

Question; are you going to go above and beyond, and compare the flow IN THE SYSTEM with each pump?

I have "heard" the new pumps flow about 2-3X more, than the original 07-12 versions. I am not sure if that was "in the system" or just a test with some hoses and buckets...lol

I have a Jabsco Pump:

http://www.amazon.com/Jabsco-50840-0012-Marine-Cyclone-12-Volt/dp/B000O8D2IK

This piece is rated at 29 GPM.

If you are going to flow these pumps in the system, I would gladly send you my Jabsco pump to test against these pieces you have here.

This could end up being a VERY impressive thread with data that everyone has wanted to see, for quite some time.

I bet this thing really moves some fluid, lol. 29GPM. Cheaper than the 13-14 unit as well :idea:. Curious to how you have it wired up Kelly

-Nick

 

[Robert M]

Tob - Here is the Ford diagram of the 2013/14 oem pump bracket that bolts to the drivers cyl. head. Since the 2007-12 mounts at the H/E some sort of bracket mods are needed, I am hoping to use a portion of this 3-pc. bracket, at least the 2-pieces that properly saddle/secure the pump in conjunction with whatever is required to attach this pump in the oem 2007-12 position.

R

 

[sedanman]

In for the results.

 

[heatsoaked12]

Most curious about the brush-less harness and how it would be made to work in the previous generation. Really glad to see Tob start this thread. I am interested in this topic and NOBODY puts forth as much effort into a thread than Tob!!

 

[PistolWhip]

This should be a good one! Tob never disappoints.

 

[Robert M]

Most curious about the brush-less harness and how it would be made to work in the previous generation. Really glad to see Tob start this thread. I am interested in this topic and NOBODY puts forth as much effort into a thread than Tob!!

Here is a link to the plug & play harness for the 2007-2012 to 2013/14 H/E pump upgrade.............

http://vmptuning.com/07-12-gt500-cooling/13pumpkit/




R

 

[Steve@Tasca]

Here is a link to the plug & play harness for the 2007-2012 to 2013/14 H/E pump upgrade.............

http://vmptuning.com/07-12-gt500-cooling/13pumpkit/


R

Interesting find, looks like the short section is a factory Ford piece P/N DR3Z-14A411-C that goes for $5.00 and they've added the longer section on their own to make it a "kit".

-Steve

 

[Robert M]

Interesting find, looks like the short section is a factory Ford piece P/N DR3Z-14A411-C that goes for $5.00 and they've added the longer section on their own to make it a "kit".

-Steve

That kit also relocates the 2013/14 H/E pump to a location behind the drivers side bumper area and the clamp is for holding the pump in that location. My choice would be to locate the 2013/14 pump in the oem 2007-2012 location, if possible.



R

 

[99SSls1]

I understand installing a better flowing pump but it may get to a point where more flow could actually diminish the cooling of the heat exchanger. I would think that 29 GPM pump may flow to much for a stock he, thus not leaving enough surface time. I am curious what ford did with GPM between the two. I am guessing they flow around 2-6 gpm's now.

 

[19COBRA93]

I understand installing a better flowing pump but it may get to a point where more flow could actually diminish the cooling of the heat exchanger. I would think that 29 GPM pump may flow to much for a stock he, thus not leaving enough surface time. I am curious what ford did with GPM between the two. I am guessing they flow around 2-6 gpm's now.

If there was any loss from flowing too quickly through the heat exchanger, it would be countered by the gain of flowing quicker through the intercooler itself. A faster flowing system will always be more efficient than a slower stagnant system.

 

[fullboogie]

I understand installing a better flowing pump but it may get to a point where more flow could actually diminish the cooling of the heat exchanger. I would think that 29 GPM pump may flow to much for a stock he, thus not leaving enough surface time. I am curious what ford did with GPM between the two. I am guessing they flow around 2-6 gpm's now.

Been proven a myth over and over.