Monsters Among US - More Details Emerge on Ford's New Godzilla (7X) V8 Engine

Monsters Among Us - More Details Emerge on Ford's New Godzilla (7X) V8 Engine

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Fresh on the heels of the last article blowing the lid on Ford's upcoming 7.3L OHV V8, we have even more details. Some of the specs I'm about to go into have been confirmed by multiple sources, and a few are single source. More interestingly, I have gotten a look at the actual cylinder heads. Let me start out by saying, based on the heads alone this engine has the potential to be special.


First off, the valves and ports all look enormous. I have been told, but cannot confirm, that that the intake valves measure out at 2.20-Inches in diameter. If that is the case that would mean Ford's Godzilla would have larger valves than the last Big Block engine produced in the US, the GM Vortec 8.1L V8. In fact, the Mopar 6.4L Hemi Apache Heads feature 2.14-Inch Intake (1.650-Inch Exhaust Valves) and can flow over 340CFM on the intake side. I would suspect that the 7.3L Ford heads will put up similar numbers, but with far better swirl (more on that later).

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Study this combustion chamber From the Dart Pro 1 LS heads. The Ford 7X design is visually very similar.

Something else that same source told me, which I have conformed, is that Godzilla will indeed feature Direct Injection. The location for a DI injector was machined into the heads that I have seen. I do not yet have a confirmation wheter the 7X will be equipped with dual-fuel-systems (both Port Injection and DI). However, given the direction that Ford has been going recently I'm about 99% sure it will be a PI/DI system like the 2018+ Coyote V8. It's getting pretty tough to meet particulate emissions standards with DI alone, and adding on a PI system takes care of that.

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This is the GM LT-Series head, currently the only DI Pushrod V8s on the market.

The major design points are certainly influenced by GM's LS/LT series engines, but not necessarily the factory GM parts. Instead, it appears that Ford engineers modeled cues from certain aftermarket LS heads. In one particularly striking case, the 7X's combustion chamber looks eerily similar to Dart Pro 1 LS heads. I asked an DKH Engineering, an independent engineering consultant, their opinion of the design to which they replied:


"The kidney shape of the combustion chamber will create swirl in the cylinder as the high velocity intake comes past the valve. This swirl allows the air and fuel molecules find stoichiometric balance for combustion at a faster rate. The faster this rate, the better, allowing a more complete and efficient burn of the intake charge. This results in high torque levels starting at very low rpm.

The advantage of the one intake valve over dual is that the kinetic energy needed for swirl is wasted in the area between the two intake valves. As the intake charge comes over each valve, the charges impact each other, canceling out their momentum.

Normally, the volume limitation of one valve is what makes dual valves more favorable in smaller engines. The massive size of the valve and the low rpm range of this engine eliminates this volume limitation.

With direct injection solving a lot of the old school detonation issues, I suspect a compression ratio of 10:1 to 11.5:1, even in industrial applications. A race engine configuration could easily run even higher ratios."

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It's going to take some time to get used to a new Ford V8 head looking like this, but that's the future.

All that sounds great to me, considering the intended purpose of this engine. I have a feeling that we'll be seeing a fairly efficient (as far as a 7.3L V8 can be) engine that produces excellent low end torque. With the 6.7L Powerstroke engine now being a $9,120 there is certainly a place in the lineup for a less expensive base engine that makes impressive power. When I mentioned to one of my Ford sources that I had a feeling that the Godzilla engine would make around 525 lb-ft of he said "knowing the engineer leading up the program, he would probably be disappointed if that's all it made." It's possible that we could be looking at a base gas engine putting out more power than a 6.0L Powerstroke diesel for the 2020 model year. Until then; I have a few more specs that I'm working to confirm, so expect another article soon.

-SID297
 
@SID297 If you have contact with your source again, Id be interested to hear about how they are addressing carbon buildup. D4 systems are notorious for coking oil vapor on intake runners and intake valves. Toyota's (Lexus) D4S features both port and direct injection, probably very similar to the system Ford wants to employ on Godzilla.

Even with the port fuel, we would often find some carbon on the back of the intake valves, though not nearly as bad as the D4 only IS250 engine. Ive also heard the process of DI can leave more carbon deposits than usual on the piston faces.

It would be interesting to hear how they are combating this irritating phenomenon that occurs with direct injection.
 
@SID297 If you have contact with your source again, Id be interested to hear about how they are addressing carbon buildup. D4 systems are notorious for coking oil vapor on intake runners and intake valves. Toyota's (Lexus) D4S features both port and direct injection, probably very similar to the system Ford wants to employ on Godzilla.

Even with the port fuel, we would often find some carbon on the back of the intake valves, though not nearly as bad as the D4 only IS250 engine. Ive also heard the process of DI can leave more carbon deposits than usual on the piston faces.

It would be interesting to hear how they are combating this irritating phenomenon that occurs with direct injection.

maybe I dont understand the abbreviations for the systems but it looks like ford is running DI and traditional injection on everything now due to the carbon issues. All the ford 18 model year DI stuff has it best I can tell (well, F150 and mustang anyway)
 
maybe I dont understand the abbreviations for the systems but it looks like ford is running DI and traditional injection on everything now due to the carbon issues. All the ford 18 model year DI stuff has it best I can tell (well, F150 and mustang anyway)

Correct. I suspect this engine will have the same setup.
 
@SID297 If you have contact with your source again, Id be interested to hear about how they are addressing carbon buildup. D4 systems are notorious for coking oil vapor on intake runners and intake valves. Toyota's (Lexus) D4S features both port and direct injection, probably very similar to the system Ford wants to employ on Godzilla.

Even with the port fuel, we would often find some carbon on the back of the intake valves, though not nearly as bad as the D4 only IS250 engine. Ive also heard the process of DI can leave more carbon deposits than usual on the piston faces.

It would be interesting to hear how they are combating this irritating phenomenon that occurs with direct injection.
Any experience with E85 in these set ups?
Just wonder if anyone is using flex fueling in the DI/Port dual injection deals.
Having the DI system on a separate source with straight E85/E98 would be killer for boost as well as high compression.
I remember when John Coletti left Ford he was working with a company doing just that, high octane on demand for greater performance (mainly out of smaller displacement boosted combos and mainly for mileage) but we all know he’d give us a performance variant :)
Seriously tho the cleaning nature and high octane of E85/E98 could help the deposit issues.
-J
 
I certainly hope so. I believe current Super Duty and F-150s are Flex Fuel, or I think have the option for a flex fuel system.

Being ethanol compliant makes it easier for better NA performance. And... uh.... you know... a Whipple FI setup.... :D :D :D
 
I've said it several times...replace the POS V6 in the Raptor with this beast, and my checkbook is open and ready.

Why again is it a POS? this article said 525ft-lbs estimated..the raptor eco is rated 510 on stock boost.

@SID297 If you have contact with your source again, Id be interested to hear about how they are addressing carbon buildup. D4 systems are notorious for coking oil vapor on intake runners and intake valves. Toyota's (Lexus) D4S features both port and direct injection, probably very similar to the system Ford wants to employ on Godzilla.

Even with the port fuel, we would often find some carbon on the back of the intake valves, though not nearly as bad as the D4 only IS250 engine. Ive also heard the process of DI can leave more carbon deposits than usual on the piston faces.

It would be interesting to hear how they are combating this irritating phenomenon that occurs with direct injection.

The Porft injection was added strictly for emissions from what I have been told.
 
IMO the Raptor V6 TT is far from a "POS"...I have one, and I also had the Roush V8 Gen1...the Gen2 blows the Gen1 away...except for the sound, the Gen1 sound was better. I swapped out the exhaust and intake and tuned my Gen2 so it sounds way better than stock, but still not a Roush V8.
 
I certainly appreciate the tech that's in the EcoBoost Raptor engine. Its a tremendous production engine that delivers for Ford. But, imagine if they did that to a Coyote Gen 2, or even a Gen 3.

As it is, Im looking forward to what this NA 7.3L monster is capable of. If it can get the power on demand when I want it and be as practically fuel efficient as it can be while driving unloaded for DD use, its got my vote x100000.
 
If it doesn't have a turbo or a blower that can be pullied down easily... it will be useless at high altitudes.... N/A is absolutely garbage in Colorado
 

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