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Why HPTuners not willing to help 04 and under.

Discussion in 'Tuning À la carte' started by XXWildCoyoteXX, Mar 23, 2017.

  1. Eric@HPTuners

    [email protected] Authorized Vendor Authorized Vendor

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    It's gonna happen.
     
  2. 808Matt

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    Hey Eric, no pressure or anything but is there an estimated date that HPT will be available? My build is days away from completion and instead of purchasing the ProTuner from SCT, my tuner would love to use HP instead.

    Thankyou
     
  3. GodStang

    GodStang Well-Known Member Established Member

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    Just knowing Eric is on the other site for development and support makes it worth the switch. There is no one better.
     
  4. XXWildCoyoteXX

    XXWildCoyoteXX Member Established Member

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    I hear ya man. Closest SCT tuner to me is around 2-3hrs away, HPTuner like 15 mins XD. top of that the guys there are friends of mine and would love to tune my one off setup.
    Hopefully it will be a sooner then later official release.
     
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  5. XXWildCoyoteXX

    XXWildCoyoteXX Member Established Member

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    Feel like this is one of them Hour Glass threads. Everyones watching and waiting for that epic post about the last grain of sand falling finally XD
     
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  6. Corbic

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    Never gonna happen.
     
  7. gt347mustang

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    Just switched an 03 cobra to HP using the nGauge. The flashing and writing the tune was simple, had no issues and support from HP was great. I had to get a beta version since support isn't official.

    Datalogging however left a lot to be desired on both the mvpi and nGauge. Very very limited channels(no maf counts iac% iat2 pulse width ect.) and the resolution is terrible if you're actually trying to tune based on datalogs. Resolution was around 1hz maybe 2(roughly 1 snapshot per second, drove me nuts).

    This was my first eecv Ford ecu tuned on HP and I was highly disappointed with the data logging. I've done several other vehicles and the HP scanner was awesome! I liked it so much and was excited to get it on an early ford, so maybe my expectations were just to high. I'm pretty sure the $100 genetic scanner from auto zone has more channels and better resolution. When I reached out to HP with questions on scanner I was nicely told that these cars are too old and not worth developing any further... Oh well.
     
  8. 808Matt

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    Just curious @[email protected] has any update about how the software is coming along?


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  9. decipha

    decipha EFI Dyno Tuning Established Member

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    I'll never understand why so many people are persistent on tuning via that archaic method of logging adjusting and writing just to repeat the process

    best bet for tuning the EECs is realtime tuning using a moates quarterhorse, you can tune the vehicle and make changes while its running in a split second, and the datalogging is 2nd to none, can log values faster than the ecu can recalculate them if you wanted to

    here this will give you all the details and you can download the free software to datalog and even custom tune if if you want

    http://www.efidynotuning.com/started.htm
     
  10. Almighty-One

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    Yeah, I can say nothing but praise for Moates Quarterhorse even on EEC-V
     
  11. XXWildCoyoteXX

    XXWildCoyoteXX Member Established Member

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    If running the Quarterhorse Module on a single car, do you still need the chip or can you just leave the usb cable in a reachable area to hook up and modify any time you want?
    Ive been reading the info on this and its getting me interested to go into it. guess the only thing holding me back is the actual seeing someone tune with it. Basically saying, its easier to type down what to do for someone to learn aside from as to watching a person do it themselves.
    Is the program you use pretty user friendly or will it take a good chunk of time to fully understand how to use it.
     
  12. decipha

    decipha EFI Dyno Tuning Established Member

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    the quarterhorse is the chip, yes you can just reach over and grab the cable and plug it in anytime you want

    good ?s dont think ive ever been asked that
     
  13. XXWildCoyoteXX

    XXWildCoyoteXX Member Established Member

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    So all thats left after the Quarterhorse Chip install is the downloaded program you use for tuning?
    What would you say the learning curve would be with this tuning program. Would there be a lot of researching to understand how to use the program to tune on the fly?
     
  14. decipha

    decipha EFI Dyno Tuning Established Member

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    yea the custom tuning software is free

    tuning with the quarterhorse is absolutely no different than tuning with sct diablo hptuners sniper or the like its still modifying the ford binary amd writing it to the ecu. The advantage is that you can make those changes while the engine is running.

    The learning curve is no different than any other software the parameters are the same, the ford ecus are engineering based logic, its not something your going to just pick up overnight. As with tuning any ford it usually takes about a year to learn enough to tune accurately. Some people pick it up in as little as a month others go on for years and still dont know squat. Its up to you to learn at the pace you choose again irregardless of the tuning software.

    You could always get a remote tune if you need to get started in a hurry.

    One thing you have to consider, tunerpro and the supported strategys are all free open source development. The more people that use it and support development the better it will be for everyone.

    If your serious about Diy tuning I highly recommend going to https://www.efidynotuning.com

    the write ups there will tell you everything you meed to know to properly tune a ford, you can even download the custom tuning software and a base tune and play with the software as you go through the write up as i find it makes it easier to go through the motions while you read what its doing
     
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  15. Almighty-One

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    Yeah, I have my Quarterhorse connection mounted on my glove box latch so it stay completely out of site, but leave the usb for easy access.

    I really enjoy Quarterhorse. I can go for a drive/dinner/grocery store and make changes as I go. I use Binary Editor and a CoreTuning strategy (I got their Quarterhorse/Strategies combo). However, if I would go back I would take a closer look at that direct flash option on there as well.

    I was just sick of how SCT treated me when I had issues and didn't want to wait for HP Tuners (Glad I didn't now that I see how much it costs to get setup with it now though). I didn't want to pay someone to maybe do a good job on my car. I knew no one would spend as much time on it as I would to get it right. The learning curve is not as steep as I thought it would be, but there certainly a lot to consider when doing all this. Our EEC-Vs are kinda tricky as most people are running EEC-IVs or other older ECUs, but between reading a lot, eectuning forum, and efidynotuning forum there is a lot of knowledge out there.

    I just take it by baby steps, but am actually having a blast and feel a lot of pride in doing it
     
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  16. XXWildCoyoteXX

    XXWildCoyoteXX Member Established Member

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    Thanks for the info yall. Think ill take a dive into it and read up some. Bunch of info it sounds like to be had, but winter up here has my car in storage. So I guess i've got the time to dive into reading and watching some of their youtube recorded lessons.
    My HPT guy nearby is pretty knowledgable with Moates also, so that will help my learning curve a bit.
     

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