FRPP/Whipple kit content and install on '09 GT500

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Awesome write up and work Tob!

Novice question: Why would you close off that port on the airbox? as open as the rest of it is I'd think it wouldn't matter. Also, wouldn't you want as many ways in as possible for that beast to get access to air to draw?

I know what you are thinking and why. I've thought about it a lot. But in the end I made a promise to myself that I would follow through on the install as close as I could to FRPP/Whipple's instructions. Fan wash obviously isn't an issue here, but I suppose the case for more radiant heat could be made. So while I know that sealing off that juncture forces the filter to draw more from the front - I'll go with that.

All I can say is, it works! The car is absolutely silly on the street. About all I can do if "spirited" driving is my intent is to limit it to short bursts, followed either by braking, downshifting, or coasting.

I spent some time today in the car. I quickly attached my GoPro to the splitter via a zip tie and ran with it. Try upping to 720p, then go grab a snack and let it load. Wind buffeting was expected, but the "whooshes" caught me by surprise.

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Aside from the information I've been able to provide, I still think your question is entirely valid. Again, here is the part number shown on the box for the fuel pump

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So clearly, FRPP lists the part # as M-9H307-MSVTA] (interesting to note that the box was relabeled but I can't make out the original number on the sticker underneath the new one). Whipple's "Pull Sheet" lists the pump as being a modified dual fuel pump and being sourced from Pauls HP.

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PaulsHP.com doesn't have a very large selection of GT500 parts to offer at their website and I see nothing there regarding any fuel pump offerings either. https://www.paulshp.com/cgi-bin/webstorecgi/webstore.cgi?page=GT500&type=categories

I can't comment on any business relationship that PaulsHP may have with FRPP, but it is entirely plausible especially given the geographic closeness of the two with PaulsHP in Jackson, MI and FRPP in Livonia, MI.

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There was mention in the MM&FF article about the pumps (from here).



I think it was one of Lethal's guys (along with a few others) that have referenced the pumps themselves as "Walbro GSS342 (return style) pumps inside a stock GT500 pump assembly".

The pump contained in the kit has yet to show up as an individual part in FRPP's online catalog, even within the new parts listing pages. That doesn't preclude the fact that it still might be available through them, necessarily. It may be listed soon - or maybe not (?). That's why I found it interesting that the gentleman selling them on eBay is listing the FRPP part number. Maybe we should ask Tousley if the FRPP part number shows it as being available as an individual part number (it must be, right?) along with their price.

Now to the core portion of your question - is the pump just a 2010 pump assembly? Ford parts and service online catalog has a page dedicated to the 2010 GT500 fuel supply system, here, as a "fuel pump and sender assembly", down at the bottom. They list it for $521.45, a price that most here won't ever pay;-). The part number, 9H307 (PFS-503) is definitely the 2010 pump assembly as used by 2010 vehicles.

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If you change your parts query and search for a 2009 GT500 pump you see it listed as 9H307 (PFS-362). If I have my modern day parts numbering correct, the 9H307 is just Ford's designation as a part being fuel pump or system related, with either (PFS-503) or (PFS-362) further delineating the assembly by vehicle and applicable year(s).

I don't see Ford offering the assembly without the pumps. I assume FRPP has contracted the work (Hence, PaulsHP) to add the larger Walbro pumps and ship them directly to Whipple or to FRPP for boxing and shipment to Whipple in California.

In conclusion, remember that the 2010 pump housing is definitely different that the '07-'09 unit. While much of the two are similar, it is the 2010 housing that allows the larger pumps to fit (go back a few pages and refer to the photo comparison of the two different housing styles). Dustin, it would help if you could comment here!:-D

Note - you may have noticed what looked like another fuel pump assembly within the tank when you looked at Ford Parts' diagrams, over on the passenger side of the tank. I believe that is just the pickup for that side that is tied into the driver side pumps via the cross over tube (that I had to disconnect/reconnect during the swap). It is not the same as the pumps we are talking about here.

Tob

thanks for that great info, so looks like i will be doing some more searching, cause it would be much easier to do what you with the housing
 

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Great post, the write up is very helpful and made me chose this setup over the typical kenny bell/tvs kit. I have a couple questions though. Have you upgraded your drive shaft to a one piece? Also have upgraded you rad with an new aluminum one? I plan on having this kit on my car but want reliability b/c of the long trips we take in the summer i.e. 1000km or so reliability is key. Did you plan on upgrading to headers? Thanx again for the great info and your always quick responses.

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Seems we're in tune on this one.

A drive shaft change has been on my mind for some time. There are plenty of choices out their and at this point I don't have a clear favorite. One thing is for certain - I don't want any vibration added.

I've also spent quite a bit researching radiators and heat exchangers as well. At a minimum I'll be changing the HE.

I've never had a car that I didn't add headers to, but this car may be the first. I want to stay with the ProCal tune, and I'd rather not get into the install mess headers require. I'll probably stay with the stock manifolds.

Beyond that, I'm glad to hear that this thread helped you to make a decision. Makes it all worthwhile to me. Good luck with your installation!

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Beyond that, I'm glad to hear that this thread helped you to make a decision. Makes it all worthwhile to me. Good luck with your installation!

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Tob...great write up and cinched the deal for me. I'll give a little time for FRPP/Whipple to work out the last few kinks that you identified and go for it. I was looking for a way to get just over 600rwhp in my '08 and this seems to be the best way with FRPP bits. Thanks again for the awsome write up!

Has anyone confirmed whether the FRPP brace will still work?

Someone should make this a sticky in the Tech section btw!
 

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I'm trying to buy this kit in Canada but I'm having a little trouble getting decent price quote does anyone know of a place that will ship this kit (M-6066-MSVT29C) to Alberta Canada for a fair price? :shrug:
 

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A couple things. It really puts a smile on my face to see that this thread has helped some here make the decision to go with the FRPP/Whipple kit. May you be as happy with yours as I am with mine.

And something else. While perusing Whipple's site, I came across a page that links a pdf file of a detailed blueprint for each one of Whipple's offerings (scroll down half way). The 2.9, or W175AX is thankfully among the list. I get the opportunity to work with various drawings at work each day so it piqued my interest when I saw that Whipple was proud enough of their superchargers to link print files online.

What is really neat, is that we have a machine at work that can generate a full size print a a matter of seconds from a simple file, such as a pdf. So I fired off an email to Whipple asking permission to print the file so that I can frame it up and mount it in my shop (with great pride I might add). I picked a random size of approximately 36" x 48"....

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Sorry if it doesn't do much for anyone here, but for me it is simply too cool!

Another thing. I wanted to laminate the stickers that come with the kit for both the EO# and for the octane sticker that mounts near the gas cap. I wasn't that thrilled with the non-centered sticker that FRPP supplied....

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So, I took the much cooler Whipple EO# sticker and tweaked it just a hair...

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I then printed the file with the appropriate size and laminated it as well so that it'll last. I also played with the octane sticker as well...

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As to the car, oh man...I definitely hold the car in a different regard than I did before. Sometimes after a long day at work, I'll come home and go straight to my "shop" out back and just stare at what lies under the hood.

I don't think it'll ever get old.

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well i was able to get alittle information today. Pauls HP, does infact do the modifing of the M-9H307-MSVTA that comes in the FRPP whipple kit. the stock dual pumps are 255's, the modified dual pumps are 310.
 

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well i was able to get alittle information today. Pauls HP, does infact do the modifing of the M-9H307-MSVTA that comes in the FRPP whipple kit. the stock dual pumps are 255's, the modified dual pumps are 310.

Any comments on availability separate from the kit?

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Pauls hp will modify the pumps for you at. Cost of 500 bucks. But can't sell you a complete new setup. I'm guessing because ford racing won't let them.
 

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Well think about it a kb bap is 450 plus shipping an all the aftermarket pumps setups complete are like 500 plus.
 

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Pauls hp will modify the pumps for you at. Cost of 500 bucks. But can't sell you a complete new setup. I'm guessing because ford racing won't let them.

So I'm wondering how these M-9H307-MSVTA pumps got out of the Pauls HP/FRPP/Whipple system and onto eBay

FORD RACING SVT MUSTANG DUAL FUEL PUMP M-9H307-MSVTA: eBay Motors (item 370365842682 end time Nov-11-10 12:31:08 PST)

I suppose the seller could have conracted with PaulsHP direct and got them built, but I'd think the price would be double what he's asking or more; I suppose the seller could have modified them himself :uh oh:

I'll ask the seller a couple of questions and see what he comes back with, I'll let you all know what he says.

BTW, I purchased a stage 2 Whipple 2.9 yesterday from Lethal :banana:
 

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So I'm wondering how these M-9H307-MSVTA pumps got out of the Pauls HP/FRPP/Whipple system and onto eBay

FORD RACING SVT MUSTANG DUAL FUEL PUMP M-9H307-MSVTA: eBay Motors (item 370365842682 end time Nov-11-10 12:31:08 PST)

I suppose the seller could have conracted with PaulsHP direct and got them built, but I'd think the price would be double what he's asking or more; I suppose the seller could have modified them himself :uh oh:

I'll ask the seller a couple of questions and see what he comes back with, I'll let you all know what he says.

BTW, I purchased a stage 2 Whipple 2.9 yesterday from Lethal :banana:

Enjoy the whipple. Has for the pumps, the number is for the pump assembly on the 2010-11. The assemply on the 10-11 has a larger pump opening to hold the larger pumps that Pauls is installing. They are the factory pumps that are already in the car on Ebay.

They take the pump assembly and change out the pumps that is why everyone sees the part number. If you buy the ones off ebay you still have to send them to Pauls to be modified.
 

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I talked to Jeff at Paul's High Performance today, he said there's no need to purchase a '10-'11 fuel pump, the '07-'09 housing can be fitted with the Walbro GSS342 pumps, the cost is $449 plus return shipping.

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So I'm wondering how these M-9H307-MSVTA pumps got out of the Pauls HP/FRPP/Whipple system and onto eBay

FORD RACING SVT MUSTANG DUAL FUEL PUMP M-9H307-MSVTA: eBay Motors (item 370365842682 end time Nov-11-10 12:31:08 PST)

I asked the same question on the last page of this thread. I agree - interesting.

I talked to Jeff at Paul's High Performance today, he said there's no need to purchase a '10-'11 fuel pump, the '07-'09 housing can be fitted with the Walbro GSS342 pumps, the cost is $449 plus return shipping.

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Even more interesting. Did Jeff say that those are indeed the exact same pumps they use in their modified '10/'11 assembly? Because whatever pumps they installed on mine sure don't look like they'd fit a '07-'09 pump body. Go back and review the shots I posted on the pump and you'll see what I mean...


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