Really? This Qualifies For "Stand Your Ground"

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Huge vibe I'm getting from most of the posters in this thread - If they are touched in any manner by someone, they will shoot them to defend their lives.

Few things you folks defending the shooter should acknowledge


1. Shooter himself was parked in an illegal spot and verbally assaulted a woman for doing the same. Hypocrite much?
2. Shooter was pushed and waiting to shoot the victim as the victim was backing up as seen in all of the videos.
3. Patrons of that store said the shooter was always there, trying to pick fights with everyone.
4. Store owner states he has had multiple issues with this guy being aggressive and starting fights

Based on the above, you really think this was a peaceful guy defending himself? GTFO.

This was not a good shoot. Just because someone pushes you doesn't mean you get to kill them.
 

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Huge vibe I'm getting from most of the posters in this thread - If they are touched in any manner by someone, they will shoot them to defend their lives.

Few things you folks defending the shooter should acknowledge


1. Shooter himself was parked in an illegal spot and verbally assaulted a woman for doing the same. Hypocrite much?
2. Shooter was pushed and waiting to shoot the victim as the victim was backing up as seen in all of the videos.
3. Patrons of that store said the shooter was always there, trying to pick fights with everyone.
4. Store owner states he has had multiple issues with this guy being aggressive and starting fights

Based on the above, you really think this was a peaceful guy defending himself? GTFO.

This was not a good shoot. Just because someone pushes you doesn't mean you get to kill them.
It does in FL so keep your hands to yourself. Nothing justified the linebacker bitch move in this case. Shove zero, self defense 1.
 

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Huge vibe I'm getting from most of the posters in this thread - If they are touched in any manner by someone, they will shoot them to defend their lives.

Few things you folks defending the shooter should acknowledge


1. Shooter himself was parked in an illegal spot and verbally assaulted a woman for doing the same. Hypocrite much?
2. Shooter was pushed and waiting to shoot the victim as the victim was backing up as seen in all of the videos.
3. Patrons of that store said the shooter was always there, trying to pick fights with everyone.
4. Store owner states he has had multiple issues with this guy being aggressive and starting fights

Based on the above, you really think this was a peaceful guy defending himself? GTFO.

This was not a good shoot. Just because someone pushes you doesn't mean you get to kill them.
While the shooter may be justified in this shoot, based on these facts, this would be a good time to have his mental health evaluated for the future.
 

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While the shooter may be justified in this shoot, based on these facts, this would be a good time to have his mental health evaluated for the future.
Not sure I can agree. He as you stated made a justifiable action. Then we leap to mental evaluations? Those tests are only as good as your honesty. I am stunned how this escalated. Big dude was probably suffering from mental issues himself. One being if had had told shorty to call the cops he would have probably got ticketed. Two, he may suffer from the snitch syndrome. But here we are, a dead father because he could not reason or get a guy to back off. Crazy world.
 

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Not sure I can agree. He as you stated made a justifiable action. Then we leap to mental evaluations? Those tests are only as good as your honesty. I am stunned how this escalated. Big dude was probably suffering from mental issues himself. One being if had had told shorty to call the cops he would have probably got ticketed. Two, he may suffer from the snitch syndrome. But here we are, a dead father because he could not reason or get a guy to back off. Crazy world.
The shooter has shown himself to be aggressive towards people. More than likely he has always been carrying while instigating arguments and fights. He has now shot someone he instigated a fight with. Why not evaluate his mental state before he unloads on someone else?
 

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I was always under the impression that once the situation de-escalates, you don't have the right to discharge your weapon. They both were guilty of assault prior to the other guy discharging and killing the man who shoved him to the ground. Based on what I saw in the video, this guy had no reason to shoot the man who shoved him. Legally, he had no reason to be giving the person's parked in the handicap spot where to park. He started this whole mess, and looks like he was more than willing to lethally end the situation.


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Maybe I don't understand.

Guy and his girlfriend park illegally in a handicapped parking spot.
Guy goes in to the store to do whatever.
Meanwhile, guy with the gun starts harassing/messing with the GF to move the vehicle, blah blah, etc.
Guy comes back out, shoves the guy down, and begins advancing towards him.
Shooter pulls out his gun, and the other guy immediately begins retreating, and then gets shot.

I mean, all this could've been prevented by:
A) Not parking in a spot illegally.
B) Moving the car when asked.
C) Not escalating the situation by shoving a stranger to the ground.

I don't think the guy deserved to get shot over it. But, he damn sure didn't defuse the situation by getting physical. Nowdays, you just don't know what ANYone will do in a physical situation. And for all the billy badasses saying they'd protect their family, or knock a guy out, or whatever how well can you protect them when you're dead? Are you willing to take that risk?
 

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The shooter has shown himself to be aggressive towards people. More than likely he has always been carrying while instigating arguments and fights. He has now shot someone he instigated a fight with. Why not evaluate his mental state before he unloads on someone else?
Because you confront people for violating laws does not mean crazy. Maybe just tired of people thinking they can do whatever they please. Would be ironic if he were parked illegally as someone stated. This comes from a guy who does not even flip people off when ignorant texters or aggressive drives are all over the road.
 

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Maybe I don't understand.

Guy and his girlfriend park illegally in a handicapped parking spot.
Guy goes in to the store to do whatever.
Meanwhile, guy with the gun starts harassing/messing with the GF to move the vehicle, blah blah, etc.
Guy comes back out, shoves the guy down, and begins advancing towards him.
Shooter pulls out his gun, and the other guy immediately begins retreating, and then gets shot.

I mean, all this could've been prevented by:
A) Not parking in a spot illegally.
B) Moving the car when asked.
C) Not escalating the situation by shoving a stranger to the ground.

I don't think the guy deserved to get shot over it. But, he damn sure didn't defuse the situation by getting physical. Nowdays, you just don't know what ANYone will do in a physical situation. And for all the billy badasses saying they'd protect their family, or knock a guy out, or whatever how well can you protect them when you're dead? Are you willing to take that risk?
Apparently the shooter was also illegally parked. LOL
The guys should be off the streets or at the very least not carrying. I bet he only starts fights because he has a gun. That is an ultimate pussy. I wonder if a kid shoved him he would blast away too?
 

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Apparently the shooter was also illegally parked. LOL
The guys should be off the streets or at the very least not carrying. I bet he only starts fights because he has a gun. That is an ultimate pussy. I wonder if a kid shoved him he would blast away too?
If he feared the kid was trying to cause severe bodily harm he would be justified. Do not touch and live another day.
 

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Maybe I don't understand.

Guy and his girlfriend park illegally in a handicapped parking spot.
Guy goes in to the store to do whatever.
Meanwhile, guy with the gun starts harassing/messing with the GF to move the vehicle, blah blah, etc.
Guy comes back out, shoves the guy down, and begins advancing towards him.
Shooter pulls out his gun, and the other guy immediately begins retreating, and then gets shot.

I mean, all this could've been prevented by:
A) Not parking in a spot illegally.
B) Moving the car when asked.
C) Not escalating the situation by shoving a stranger to the ground.

I don't think the guy deserved to get shot over it. But, he damn sure didn't defuse the situation by getting physical. Nowdays, you just don't know what ANYone will do in a physical situation. And for all the billy badasses saying they'd protect their family, or knock a guy out, or whatever how well can you protect them when you're dead? Are you willing to take that risk?

Did we watch the same videos?

I clearly see the shooter getting shoved, while the "shover' stands still.

Then said shooter draws weapon as "shover" is standing over him, which then the "shover" backs away followed by getting shot by the shooter.

Had this guy advanced, it would be a different ball game.

Shooter was also illegally parked and as I stated in my post above, the store owner and patrons of said store have stated the shooter is aggressive to many people and tries to start fights. This also is not the first time according to the store owner/cashier guy seen in the videos that the shooter has done this.

He is not the police. Not his job to try and force people to move if they are breaking the law, including parking illegally himself (parked next to the last spot on the store front not in a lined section)
 

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So if the victim would have come out of the store and shot the other guy dead (instead of pushing him down),
because he “genuinely feared for his girlfriend’s life”, he would have been covered under the Stand Your Ground law in Florida and still alive.
 

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Did we watch the same videos?

Probably not.

I clearly see the shooter getting shoved, while the "shover' stands still.

Then said shooter draws weapon as "shover" is standing over him, which then the "shover" backs away followed by getting shot by the shooter.

Had this guy advanced, it would be a different ball game.

Makes no difference if he advanced or not, imho. I'm just stating what I thought I saw. Regardless, once you get physical, all bets are off in a SYG state. Legally, the shooter may be right, or wrong. But, if you're dead, what difference does it make?

Shooter was also illegally parked and as I stated in my post above, the store owner and patrons of said store have stated the shooter is aggressive to many people and tries to start fights. This also is not the first time according to the store owner/cashier guy seen in the videos that the shooter has done this.

None of this is relevant to the situation at hand. Does a person's right to defending him/herself vary depending on prior behavior?[/QUOTE]

He is not the police. Not his job to try and force people to move if they are breaking the law, including parking illegally himself (parked next to the last spot on the store front not in a lined section)

No, he's not the police. But he certainly has a right to call them out for parking illegally. Maybe he didn't do it politely. But things didn't escalate, or get physical until the other guy arrived back on the scene.
 
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If I come out of a store and a random man is verbally berating my wife and kid, I will step in as would everyone here. You can't start a confrontation then claim self defense.

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I would "step in" as well, except my version wouldn't be me immediately bulldozing the guy to the ground.
 

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For everyone taking the shooters history into account (which is irrelevant to the SYG lay in FL) look up the decedent in Pinellas County Sheriff's Office Arrest Inquiry

Aggravated domestic assault, violently resisting arrest, a half dozen cocaine charges, etc.



Again... His history is irrelevant to the SYG law too.

This wasn't a "good" shoot but the law, as written in FL, is on his side. Sorry folks.
 

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For everyone taking the shooters history into account (which is irrelevant to the SYG lay in FL) look up the decedent in Pinellas County Sheriff's Office Arrest Inquiry

Aggravated domestic assault, violently resisting arrest, a half dozen cocaine charges, etc.



Again... His history is irrelevant to the SYG law too.

This wasn't a "good" shoot but the law, as written in FL, is on his side. Sorry folks.
Here is how not to do SYG,
Lakeland store owner charged with murder after man he shot during alleged beer theft dies

( Sent from 10 News )
 

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Hahahha.

You guys that think his life was in danger have never been in a real life threatening situation apparently. If dead guy wanted too, he would’ve followed through and been on him as he was hitting the ground.

I’ve been on both ends of the situation.

When was your last fight? 5th grade?


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Verbal altercations do not mean physical attacks are allowed. SYG can be used when assaulted and in fear. Looks justified according to our laws.
A shove does not rise to justification of deadly force anywhere I have ever been, especially when the aggressor is the shooter. My guess is that the state of Florida intervines and files the appropriate 2nd degree murder/ voluntary manslaughter charge.

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It does in FL so keep your hands to yourself. Nothing justified the linebacker bitch move in this case. Shove zero, self defense 1.
You would be a bitch ass pussy if you did not defend your family. I have and will again, and if you pull a gun on me for doing so, I will ventilate you multiple times for it. No bullshit, no bravado, just a fact.

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