It's Official! 2020 GT500 Makes 760HP

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DEARBORN, Mich., June 19, 2019 – Venomous strike: The all-new 2020 Mustang Shelby GT500 will produce 760 horsepower and 625 lb.-ft. of torque, making it the most powerful street-legal Ford ever – with the most power- and torque-dense supercharged production V8 engine in the world.

Enough said.
 
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The proof will be in the pudding... new BMWs rated at 600hp are dynoing 600+ at the wheels.. 720S is nearly the same... Porsche’s and AMG cars usually dyno within 5% of the crank rating.
American cars on the other hand.. over 10% less.... IMO we are in the age of how a car performs is more important than its Hp/tq numbers.
Do the Europeans use SAE dyno standards?
When we’re talking PUMP gas 93 numbers we have the GT500 at 760 and the Demon/Redeye at 808/797.
The difference is the 500 will have another 1000rpm of usable powerband and the DCT.
I don’t really get off on stock power ratings but I do like to look at potential for maximizing a given combo. If the 500’s DCT can live at higher power then the 500 has the winning combo, even over GMs LT5.
Add some octane and boost and the 500 has a 1000hp combo. Again, potential noted with reliability TBD
-J
 
There are still some unknown variables, internal engine makeup, can the block and rotating assembly support higher HP? What effect will a tune have on the DCT programing? How will a tune affect torque management and traction control? There are a lot of questions that will hopefully be answered after the release.
 
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While I understand sides on how the numbers dont add up with it competing with zr1 and demon yada yada. I find this post by a very very reputable person interesting on how close they were.

I dont believe that guy. maybe on the HP and detuned, which is likey more wishful thinking. But I assume hes trying to speak to people that dont understand tuning. If the ecu is locked. its a few days worth for experienced tuners. theres no "deep" to it.

The TCU, trans tuning however, could be problematic, as that will be a first for most of these guys. But the principle is the same, and competent tuners will crack that as soon as the software is available


Just did 0-60 on the street in 2.1!

Here was how I did it:

No underpants
Thumb in butt
Music has to be Cotton Eye Joe
Punch it

2.1 everytime if I do these things.

Can you post a time slip for your fastest quarter mile pass or post any videos of your roll racing kills?


He wont. Or else he wuold have a vbox or dragy # to post. trust me, ive seen the #s from modded Demons, its not pretty. thats a lot of weight to move... it gets tired quick
 
Quick question? Why dont you believe him. He was a pioneer for mods in the GT500 world since 2007 is a tuner and literally has the ins with certain people to know this knowledge? He was even a big part of why VMP performance became what it is today. I mean I have a hard time not believing him as the reputable person he is. I have never seen him talk out his ass before.
 
Quick question? Why dont you believe him. He was a pioneer for mods in the GT500 world since 2007 is a tuner and literally has the ins with certain people to know this knowledge? He was even a big part of why VMP performance became what it is today. I mean I have a hard time not believing him as the reputable person he is. I have never seen him talk out his ass before.

BJ, very honest reputable person. He wouldn't lie. Nope.
 
Quick question? Why dont you believe him. He was a pioneer for mods in the GT500 world since 2007 is a tuner and literally has the ins with certain people to know this knowledge? He was even a big part of why VMP performance became what it is today. I mean I have a hard time not believing him as the reputable person he is. I have never seen him talk out his ass before.

Because people that know how to tune, can see the issues with what he said. AND, if you just mentioned hes part of VMP, well, credibility took another hit. 2-1 odds he comes back with "VMP the first and only tuners to have gt500 tunes ready to go" or some bs
 
Because people that know how to tune, can see the issues with what he said. AND, if you just mentioned hes part of VMP, well, credibility took another hit. 2-1 odds he comes back with "VMP the first and only tuners to have gt500 tunes ready to go" or some bs
USED to work for VMP. Has his own tuning consultation company. Great reputation and very knowledgeable.
Where did I miss BJs comment on the new 500?
-J
 
I just got a funny feeling that this car was rushed into development it does piss me off that this car didn’t come out 3 years ago, honestly no excuse for it besides them milking the poor guys trying to buy gt350s, Hell i know it was about 18 months ago one of the Romeo engine plant employees posted about ford okaying the production of a new high HP engine, and then said a predator was coming.

Personally and this is someone with vested interest in Ford. This car smells of the new ceo and his BS. It’s just good enough and let’s make as much profit as possible. At my last investor meeting they told us they didnt want to use turbos for cost and R&D reasons. They also went with a DCT “so we can expand our marketing potential” aka posers who can’t drive can buy it now lmfao

I really do wish we had the old ford back when they gave a shit about making hot vehicles for every price range. Instead of this edge and explorer st BS
 
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In order to move a fatty you need torque, lots of it. The fact that it may favor the higher end of the rpm scale (for a FI engine anyway) is a great thing for a track with turns though too.

I agree with you 100 percent and the fact that they didn’t even get more than 631 foot pounds, says a great many things
1) either it’s due to the lower compression, even compared to the trinity engine
Or
2) flat out trying to keep the DCT in check and not have any major issues, it’s not that hard to pull some timing and flatten out under the curve.

But either way i feel like them focusing on the DCT is either going to make them hero’s or blow up in fords face
 
This car smells of the new ceo and his BS. It’s just good enough and let’s make as much profit as possible....They also went with a DCT “so we can expand our marketing potential” aka posers who can’t drive can buy it now lmfao

DBK can no doubt break it down with much more accuracy but I believe this one had begun before the new CEO was in place. Raj, Jamal, and Pericak should have been there early on and then each moved on. The DCT was for performance but I believe there is an associated image boost because of it- outside of Knuckledragger, USA.:)
 
Trust me they did it to increase the msrp and get outside demographics looking at it

Both good and a bad thing, but this isn’t an Everyman car anymore and to be blunt, this CEO is putting ford into the ground as far as his blue collar image
 
If you take away the DCT it’s really nothing special and For me that’s the killer part.

Wow it’s a blower 5.2 not like we haven’t seen that before. What happened to the crazy shit lol, track key “frpp can blow me for leaving the gt350 guys high and dry” flat plane crank, drift mode, Anti lag in the raptor

It’s all sounds small but where is the crazy off the wall shit
 
If you take away the DCT it’s really nothing special and For me that’s the killer part.

Wow it’s a blower 5.2 not like we haven’t seen that before. What happened to the crazy shit lol, track key “frpp can blow me for leaving the gt350 guys high and dry” flat plane crank, drift mode, Anti lag in the raptor

It’s all sounds small but where is the crazy off the wall shit
Sadly I agree with most of what you’re saying but the DCT in this segment is a game changer IF it performs.
Anyone that owns high horsepower manual trans knows there are definitely compromises.
I can flat drive a stick better than 90% of guys at the strip but we’re ready for Ford to give us the option for the best performance out of this car.
For a best all around car that buyers like me want, especially if you have experience in high horsepower rides, the DCT is the answer.
All of this assumes Tremec lives up to their rep and this will handle 800rwhp without hard parts. 800rwhp at this weight is the sweet spot for street dominance. And I say that as a guy with actual experience.
-J
 
USED to work for VMP. Has his own tuning consultation company. Great reputation and very knowledgeable.
Where did I miss BJs comment on the new 500?
-J

A few posts up I posted a screen shot of BJ mentioning they had this car turned up to 820hp but detuned it by 7 percent for reliability reasons. He also said it went sub 10s in that configuration, and that of course Ford isnt gonna claim that because obviously that's not what the power it's coming with now. Long story short. Believe him or not I dont care. I just thought it was an interesting tid bit of information he told everyone on fordgt500.com
 
USED to work for VMP. Has his own tuning consultation company. Great reputation and very knowledgeable.
Where did I miss BJs comment on the new 500?
-J

Like i said, as someone who knows engines and modifying, do you believe the tuning is "deep" and will be uncharacteristically long or difficult for the aftermarket to get to?

Transmission, sure. Now I come from the BMW crowd, where as BMW HATES people modifying things, and that took a little time, but nothing crazy, but it was done, and the DCT took longer, but it was done. And thats whith an ECU that controls an aftermarket boosted V8 paired with a DCT.. so the similarities are close, as will be the end state

If you take away the DCT it’s really nothing special and For me that’s the killer part.

Wow it’s a blower 5.2 not like we haven’t seen that before. What happened to the crazy shit lol, track key “frpp can blow me for leaving the gt350 guys high and dry” flat plane crank, drift mode, Anti lag in the raptor

It’s all sounds small but where is the crazy off the wall shit

I agree, but its more than the sum of its parts. Had it not had DCT, id be buying a porsche. But here we are, this looks like a killer setup and drawing customers from rival brands, while delivering killer performance for dollar.. or at least on paper for now
 
A few posts up I posted a screen shot of BJ mentioning they had this car turned up to 820hp but detuned it by 7 percent for reliability reasons. He also said it went sub 10s in that configuration, and that of course Ford isnt gonna claim that because obviously that's not what the power it's coming with now. Long story short. Believe him or not I dont care. I just thought it was an interesting tid bit of information he told everyone on fordgt500.com
Solid intel if correct. 7% seems like a safe OEM margin to cover for guys hooning it while heatsoaked on pump 91.
For my plans to relatively quickly put the car on E85 with a free flowing exhaust and 4-5psi added plus a wheel/tire, I hope the OEM hard parts are fine for that.
I’ll drive it 100% stock for a few months like every car I acquire to determine the mod plan.
For now, it’s a true do it all GT car that my wife can still tolerate. She likely won’t drive it, but it’ll be what I take when I have her away from the kids.
My kids now prefer the Hellcat but my son turned 6 this month and got his first ride GT500 this week and absolutely loved the ‘snake car’ :)
Ok long post, back to waiting for buyers guide.
-J
 
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Like i said, as someone who knows engines and modifying, do you believe the tuning is "deep" and will be uncharacteristically long or difficult for the aftermarket to get to?

Transmission, sure. Now I come from the BMW crowd, where as BMW HATES people modifying things, and that took a little time, but nothing crazy, but it was done, and the DCT took longer, but it was done. And thats whith an ECU that controls an aftermarket boosted V8 paired with a DCT.. so the similarities are close, as will be the end state



I agree, but its more than the sum of its parts. Had it not had DCT, id be buying a porsche. But here we are, this looks like a killer setup and drawing customers from rival brands, while delivering killer performance for dollar.. or at least on paper for now
Good question and good comparison. I think Tremec is solid for American muscle and has committed to the DCT for a new generation. This comes from several conversations, most recently last weekend at Power Tour where there were 2 Tremec engineers. They felt it’s was very ready for the challenge of the new 500 and C8. I asked them if it’ll hold 800rwhp, my target at this point and one was very confident, almost confirming they’ve tested it there.
I also think the GT has helped Ford tremendously with the DCT tune. The Vehicle Dynamics engineer I met was deep in the GT and Lemans effort and was fully involved in the 500 while also complimenting the DCT and its performance. He basically was saying how he's a stick guy but the DCT has impressed him enough to almost win him over, although he personally would prefer a manual be offered while conceding the DCT performance on track.
As far as figuring out the tuning, this is still a Mustang and the tuning market is huge.
I’m hoping by adding octane and boost and bumping the limiter a bit, that the trans tuning will be minimal.
All TBD, but good bench racing material eh?
:)
-J
 

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