Karen turns $80 ticket into a felony

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As a former police officer, I cringe at this stuff because there is no way for the cop to win. You can't let her abuse you - it's not effective police work and, frankly, not safe. You have a job to do. In many jurisdictions, they must sign the ticket or be immediately brought before the judge to answer to the traffic violation in question. Once they refuse to sign, an arrest is warranted.

And . . . even when done by the book, you know its a lawsuit and a public relations mess. You get the Perry Mason types who think they know the law better; you get the smucks who have watched every episode of Cops who think they know a better way tactically; then you get the turds who just hate that a police officer did his job (like a few in this thread).

Never mind the bleeding hearts who can't believe poor grandma was tazed. News flash for you . . . intermediate weapons like pepper spray and tasers are utilized because they don't have long lasting effects -- unlike in the days when you got the snot knocked out of you by the cop for resisting and spent a week in the hospital.

If this file crossed my desk and I would think its fairly routine. I would call the officer, check the criminal history and make an offer. in this case I would find it surprising how old the defendant was watch the body cam and dash for sure and make an offer. her age does not make it ok. if I was the officer I would have been thinking so far lots of things are going just the opposite of how I would think they would. it needed to end before things got worse, the old woman could have pulled a gun just like anyone else. she was wrong its that simple.

yes her attorney is going to harp on her age and if she has no criminal history I dont see her doing any time but she should take something.
 

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She definitely turned nothing into something.

On a weird note, it would be tough to watch that if it was a family member. Not because she didn’t deserve it, but that someone you care about made a series of shitty decisions and effed up their day.
Playing Devil's advocate: I can see her whole, entire family LOVING every second of watching Granny get what she has deserved for SO LONG.
 

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At first I was like "Yeah, didn't need to taze her", then I went back and watched it again. She would not comply the first time and get out of the car, then drove off (that is a big no no, and you are not going to escape), then fought with him at the second stop while in the car, and then kicked him.

I get fighting the man when you are right, but she was way on the other side of being right.

Maybe call for back up, yeah. Taze her stupid rollie pollie dumb ass?, yeah I am okay with that also.

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She said “give me the ticket I’ll sign it.”

At that point officer douche nozzle should have said “here. Thank you ma’am, have a nice day.”

He’s supposed to be the professional one dealing with the moronic AARP Card carrying Karen.

Absolutely ridiculous on both parts.
 

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She said “give me the ticket I’ll sign it.”

At that point officer douche nozzle should have said “here. Thank you ma’am, have a nice day.”

He’s supposed to be the professional one dealing with the moronic AARP Card carrying Karen.

Absolutely ridiculous on both parts.

You have no clue about what good law enforcement means. He gave her opportunity to comply. Once you tell an individual you are taking them into custody for not complying, the decision is done. The other person can't suddenly say, "Just kidding! I will listen!" and expect then that you can go back.

The first step in the Use of Force continuum is the officer's presence. It's a psychological dominance/control factor that often (not always) keeps people compliant. Starts with the uniform, continues with the officer's personality, and concludes with his decisiveness of action.
 

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You have no clue about what good law enforcement means. He gave her opportunity to comply. Once you tell an individual you are taking them into custody for not complying, the decision is done. The other person can't suddenly say, "Just kidding! I will listen!" and expect then that you can go back.
Why not? You think that by being rigid to decisions made is somehow good?
 

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You have no clue about what good law enforcement means. He gave her opportunity to comply. Once you tell an individual you are taking them into custody for not complying, the decision is done. The other person can't suddenly say, "Just kidding! I will listen!" and expect then that you can go back.

The first step in the Use of Force continuum is the officer's presence. It's a psychological dominance/control factor that often (not always) keeps people compliant. Starts with the uniform, continues with the officer's personality, and concludes with his decisiveness of action.

“Good Law Enforcement.”

Now there’s a contradiction in terms.

Imagine being so arrogant that you think, nay your very doctrine DEMANDS that your subjects grovel at your very presence.

She’s a ****ing moron and he’s an overzealous PIG. Nothing in this involves protecting the community.

It was two people too ****ing stupid to back a situation down and now we got a senior citizen zapped with 50k volts, threatened with jail time and a department now under scrutiny all because Captain “I Said So” couldn’t take such a blow to his ego to step back and accept that she agreed to sign the paper.

You brought up the “Force Continuum.”

It goes both ways.
She deescalated.
He should have followed suit.
He didn’t.

Now you got a PR disaster.
 

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“Good Law Enforcement.”

Now there’s a contradiction in terms.

Imagine being so arrogant that you think, nay your very doctrine DEMANDS that your subjects grovel at your very presence.

She’s a ****ing moron and he’s an overzealous PIG. Nothing in this involves protecting the community.

It was two people too ****ing stupid to back a situation down and now we got a senior citizen zapped with 50k volts, threatened with jail time and a department now under scrutiny all because Captain “I Said So” couldn’t take such a blow to his ego to step back and accept that she agreed to sign the paper.

You brought up the “Force Continuum.”

It goes both ways.
She deescalated.
He should have followed suit.
He didn’t.

Now you got a PR disaster.

Oh, grow up, and quit pretending you know enough about life to have a valid opinion on this subject.

Besides, don't you have a tree to hug or a street to occupy?
 

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Oh, grow up, and quit pretending you know enough about life to have a valid opinion on this subject.

Besides, don't you have a tree to hug or a street to occupy?
GTFOutta here with your holier than thou attitude. You played your cards, you clearly have the us vs them attitude. So your opinion is trash.
 

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She said “give me the ticket I’ll sign it.”

At that point officer douche nozzle should have said “here. Thank you ma’am, have a nice day.”

He’s supposed to be the professional one dealing with the moronic AARP Card carrying Karen.

Absolutely ridiculous on both parts.

Maybe someone that is a LEO could comment. I get what you are saying but I don't think the LEO can retreat once he states she is under arrest.

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If that is true...then that is in competition for the dumbest shit ever.

I am not arguing with you, just discussing.

The cop was okay at first. The lady made a bunch of mistakes, one being answering the cops questions. She admitted that the accident happened 6-months earlier. But as I watch the video, the lady acted worse and worse. And for me?, she goes hands on a law enforcement officer and I got zero (ZERO) issues with him using whatever he wants on that dumb ass.

She at one point before driving away agrees to sign the ticket. But let's say she has a handgun at the ready now. How is the cop to know?

Police never know how sideways things are going to go.

In writing this, I now wish he would has tazed her till the batteries were dead.

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GTFOutta here with your holier than thou attitude. You played your cards, you clearly have the us vs them attitude. So your opinion is trash.

Please do yourself a favor and do some research on the LEO Use of Force Continuum. The officer in this video followed it perfectly. Have a nice day.
 

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