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He is pretty much on point with that, IMO.

I think the average guy will be much better served with iron sights on a defensive scenario. Irons will never fail you and will be MUCH easier to acquire while under severe stress (thats if you even get opportunity/privilege to line up sights).

Unless you are a professional or a high skill civi, that happens to train day in and out with a red dot, I would not go with a red dot on a conceal carry. I’d just leave it on a range toy, till you get at least 10,000+ rounds and never miss the dot on initial presentation.
Man, I posted the same video on the F150 forums and this guy is bat shit crazy on anyone that doesn't use a red dot is an idiot. I mean, he's on the internet being an ass but he is ready to die on this hill. HAHAHAHA I told him sure it's superior but there are other aspect of having a red dot that may not appeal to some people. Nope...I'm wrong and he is right and that's all there is to it. Like I don't even have an opinion. This dude is a grown man acting like a kid. I agreed with him and I'm wrong...just lol.
 

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Becoming proficient with the zero sight radius of a red dot under duress, on a handgun that is secured on the X axis by only one point, is near impossible for someone that doesn’t do it every single day I would guess. Irons only for me on any handgun
 

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I have a romeo 1 pro on .
my sig 320...and i know im damn faster and more accurate with irons. Now ive only had the romeo for aboit a year and have not put a lot of time into it. Currently at the range with a slower pace im decent with it. But nothing like what i am with the irons ive been shooting with for 25 years

My edc guns are iron...the 320 with romeo is more of a range queen

I hear you… I started messing with red dots a few months back.

I remember the first time… it was terrible for me… dot bouncing around… couldn’t focus… shot groups looking all gender fluid and shit! lmao. Almost gave up on the idea of red dots on a handgun right there and then. I had a dot that had been sitting on a drawer unused, almost sold that thing… lol

I ended up installing a dot and stuck with it for the past few months and now it feels natural…

Currently, I actually am a tiny bit faster/more accurate with the red dot than irons (in a defensive situation the difference is negligible). But the thing about it (for me), is that every now and again, upon presentation, I will loose the dot. This problem is even more accentuated during a dynamic situation vs. just standing still… Now, imagine that under severe stress! No way, Jose!

I will take the tiny hit on accuracy and speed and stick with irons, only because I know, no matter what, they will be on point 100% of the time.

Let us see your set ups!
 

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Becoming proficient with the zero sight radius of a red dot under duress, on a handgun that is secured on the X axis by only one point, is near impossible for someone that doesn’t do it every single day I would guess. Irons only for me on any handgun
Agreed, The first time I shot my VP9 with the middle of the road Vortex Venom I fell in love with red dots. I zeroed it in with about 10 rounds then it was like caveman shooting. No more sight alignment, put the dot where you want the bullet BAM. It takes the work out of shooting....being really dramatic. As you mentioned it's the under duress that the red dot comes into question. People will or won't have a fuzzy on the benefits outweighing the negatives. Currently for me, no red dot on my carry.
 

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Theoretically, you should be faster and a better shot with a red dot. No sight alignment needed and you put the dot on the target. As long as you did a good job of zeroing it in of course. But I think it goes back to the video and our learned behavior.

You know what, man? When you really stop and think about it, there is actually “sight alignment“ going on with the red dot… it is just a different type… you have to align the dot inside the window…. It is both easier and harder at the same time…

you can be an absolute savage with irons, but when you hop onto a red dot, there is definitely a learning curb….
 

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You know what, man? When you really stop and think about it, there is actually “sight alignment“ going on with the red dot… it is just a different type… you have to align the dot inside the window…. It is both easier and harder at the same time…

you can be an absolute savage with irons, but when you hop onto a red dot, there is definitely a learning curb….
I can see what you're saying. I'll think back on your comment when I'm shooting mine next. I need to rezero it as that last time I shot it came lose. I used some loctite afterwards. I do think with training I would be better at the range with a red dot. If I could wrap my brain enough around it. I wonder if it's detrimental to shoot both often? As opposed to shooting one or the other constantly or will your brain compensate easily each time. Learned behavior and all that jazz.
 

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Man, I posted the same video on the F150 forums and this guy is bat shit crazy on anyone that doesn't use a red dot is an idiot. I mean, he's on the internet being an ass but he is ready to die on this hill. HAHAHAHA I told him sure it's superior but there are other aspect of having a red dot that may not appeal to some people. Nope...I'm wrong and he is right and that's all there is to it. Like I don't even have an opinion. This dude is a grown man acting like a kid. I agreed with him and I'm wrong...just lol.

Sounds like a ****ing idiot.

Got links?

Should show him this video:

 

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I can see what you're saying. I'll think back on your comment when I'm shooting mine next. I need to rezero it as that last time I shot it came lose. I used some loctite afterwards. I do think with training I would be better at the range with a red dot. If I could wrap my brain enough around it. I wonder if it's detrimental to shoot both often? As opposed to shooting one or the other constantly or will your brain compensate easily each time. Learned behavior and all that jazz.

Try vibra tight… also, might wanna get a torque driver and tighten to spec…

I thought about that too…. I would say to some degree it is…. But might also pay off in the long run to learn both…
 

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Try vibra tight… also, might wanna get a torque driver and tighten to spec…

I thought about that too…. I would say to some degree it is…. But might also pay off in the long run to learn both…
I’ll check into the vibra tight, thanks. I did purchase a torque driver and torqued it to spec. Should be good from here on out.
 

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Imo red dots are great for the range and competitive shooting. Self defense, not so much. JMO.

When i used to do some competitive shooting, on and off, red dot shooters were in a separate class. I think once you become proficient, it definitely gives you the edge. At least it did for me. Especially at distance. Obviously they are great for older eyes.

That being said, i prefer irons. 100% of the time. Especially in a carry gun. In my case, the difference was negligible and i know they work 100% of the time.


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Isn't crazy or anything. Guy just has an opinion and no one is can say otherwise. Not sure if you're on the forum but here is the link.

Great video, his honest opinion given his experience. What more can you ask for. Glad to see my stance isn't different from his.

Handnt been there in a looong minute!

Quoted him and responded to him with the Bob Vogel video which perfectly aligns with our thoughts on the subject of dots vs irons.

The guy is such a one dimensional clown… lol.
 

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Handnt been there in a looong minute!

Quoted him and responded to him with the Bob Vogel video which perfectly aligns with our thoughts on the subject of dots vs irons.

The guy is such a one dimensional clown… lol.
"Challenge Accepted", lol. I was as nice as I can be for as long as I could be.
 

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You know what, man? When you really stop and think about it, there is actually “sight alignment“ going on with the red dot… it is just a different type… you have to align the dot inside the window…. It is both easier and harder at the same time…

you can be an absolute savage with irons, but when you hop onto a red dot, there is definitely a learning curb….

Agree in critical use, iron > red dot

Red dots: Isn't the key starting the muzzle low, then bringing it up until the red dot is in the window?

That's the fastest way I can find it. I have two red dots, and it's still a challenge.
 

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"Challenge Accepted", lol. I was as nice as I can be for as long as I could be.

You absolutely killed his “argument”. Killed him with kindness too.

Guy made some valid points, but what he doesn't understand is that mileage will vary for everyone on this. Especially the lesser trained individuals. Things will also get sketchier under duress.

I have seen an absolute savage with a handgun (ex Army Ranger), hesitate while running a drill on the range, because on this particular presentation, he failed to acquire the dot. Even if you are high level, it can happen. This delay would not happen with irons. This delay/hesitation could cost you your life…

He makes a point that, “well, you can have back up irons…”. Yeah, its great and all… except if you draw looking for a dot and fail to see it immediately, you will then also hesitate, while you process the fail, and then move on to acquire the irons as the back ups….

There are benefits and cons, as you explained… this moron makes the assumption that it is point blank superior for everyone in every situation! LOL…

what about of the window gets damaged and occluded, in a manner that blocks out back up irons?

Guy is a clown….
 

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You absolutely killed his “argument”. Killed him with kindness too.

Guy made some valid points, but what he doesn't understand is that mileage will vary for everyone on this. Especially the lesser trained individuals. Things will also get sketchier under duress.

I have seen an absolute savage with a handgun (ex Army Ranger), hesitate while running a drill on the range, because on this particular presentation, he failed to acquire the dot. Even if you are high level, it can happen. This delay would not happen with irons. This delay/hesitation could cost you your life…

He makes a point that, “well, you can have back up irons…”. Yeah, its great and all… except if you draw looking for a dot and fail to see it immediately, you will then also hesitate, while you process the fail, and then move on to acquire the irons as the back ups….

There are benefits and cons, as you explained… this moron makes the assumption that it is point blank superior for everyone in every situation! LOL…

what about of the window gets damaged and occluded, in a manner that blocks out back up irons?

Guy is a clown….
Thanks, yeah I could go a year without talking about Red Dots. lol
 

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