Samsies manIrons on the pistols and red dots on the carbines for me.
Samsies manIrons on the pistols and red dots on the carbines for me.
Man, I posted the same video on the F150 forums and this guy is bat shit crazy on anyone that doesn't use a red dot is an idiot. I mean, he's on the internet being an ass but he is ready to die on this hill. HAHAHAHA I told him sure it's superior but there are other aspect of having a red dot that may not appeal to some people. Nope...I'm wrong and he is right and that's all there is to it. Like I don't even have an opinion. This dude is a grown man acting like a kid. I agreed with him and I'm wrong...just lol.He is pretty much on point with that, IMO.
I think the average guy will be much better served with iron sights on a defensive scenario. Irons will never fail you and will be MUCH easier to acquire while under severe stress (thats if you even get opportunity/privilege to line up sights).
Unless you are a professional or a high skill civi, that happens to train day in and out with a red dot, I would not go with a red dot on a conceal carry. I’d just leave it on a range toy, till you get at least 10,000+ rounds and never miss the dot on initial presentation.
I have a romeo 1 pro on .
my sig 320...and i know im damn faster and more accurate with irons. Now ive only had the romeo for aboit a year and have not put a lot of time into it. Currently at the range with a slower pace im decent with it. But nothing like what i am with the irons ive been shooting with for 25 years
My edc guns are iron...the 320 with romeo is more of a range queen
Agreed, The first time I shot my VP9 with the middle of the road Vortex Venom I fell in love with red dots. I zeroed it in with about 10 rounds then it was like caveman shooting. No more sight alignment, put the dot where you want the bullet BAM. It takes the work out of shooting....being really dramatic. As you mentioned it's the under duress that the red dot comes into question. People will or won't have a fuzzy on the benefits outweighing the negatives. Currently for me, no red dot on my carry.Becoming proficient with the zero sight radius of a red dot under duress, on a handgun that is secured on the X axis by only one point, is near impossible for someone that doesn’t do it every single day I would guess. Irons only for me on any handgun
Theoretically, you should be faster and a better shot with a red dot. No sight alignment needed and you put the dot on the target. As long as you did a good job of zeroing it in of course. But I think it goes back to the video and our learned behavior.
Yes, as I learned, the key to a red dot is.....PRACTICE! I actually like mine, but like I said above, I prefer an iron sight on my carry pistol.
I can see what you're saying. I'll think back on your comment when I'm shooting mine next. I need to rezero it as that last time I shot it came lose. I used some loctite afterwards. I do think with training I would be better at the range with a red dot. If I could wrap my brain enough around it. I wonder if it's detrimental to shoot both often? As opposed to shooting one or the other constantly or will your brain compensate easily each time. Learned behavior and all that jazz.You know what, man? When you really stop and think about it, there is actually “sight alignment“ going on with the red dot… it is just a different type… you have to align the dot inside the window…. It is both easier and harder at the same time…
you can be an absolute savage with irons, but when you hop onto a red dot, there is definitely a learning curb….
Man, I posted the same video on the F150 forums and this guy is bat shit crazy on anyone that doesn't use a red dot is an idiot. I mean, he's on the internet being an ass but he is ready to die on this hill. HAHAHAHA I told him sure it's superior but there are other aspect of having a red dot that may not appeal to some people. Nope...I'm wrong and he is right and that's all there is to it. Like I don't even have an opinion. This dude is a grown man acting like a kid. I agreed with him and I'm wrong...just lol.
I can see what you're saying. I'll think back on your comment when I'm shooting mine next. I need to rezero it as that last time I shot it came lose. I used some loctite afterwards. I do think with training I would be better at the range with a red dot. If I could wrap my brain enough around it. I wonder if it's detrimental to shoot both often? As opposed to shooting one or the other constantly or will your brain compensate easily each time. Learned behavior and all that jazz.
Isn't crazy or anything. Guy just has an opinion and no one is can say otherwise. Not sure if you're on the forum but here is the link.Sounds like a ****ing idiot.
Got links?
Should show him this video:
I’ll check into the vibra tight, thanks. I did purchase a torque driver and torqued it to spec. Should be good from here on out.Try vibra tight… also, might wanna get a torque driver and tighten to spec…
I thought about that too…. I would say to some degree it is…. But might also pay off in the long run to learn both…
Isn't crazy or anything. Guy just has an opinion and no one is can say otherwise. Not sure if you're on the forum but here is the link.
Great video, his honest opinion given his experience. What more can you ask for. Glad to see my stance isn't different from his.
"Challenge Accepted", lol. I was as nice as I can be for as long as I could be.Handnt been there in a looong minute!
Quoted him and responded to him with the Bob Vogel video which perfectly aligns with our thoughts on the subject of dots vs irons.
The guy is such a one dimensional clown… lol.
You know what, man? When you really stop and think about it, there is actually “sight alignment“ going on with the red dot… it is just a different type… you have to align the dot inside the window…. It is both easier and harder at the same time…
you can be an absolute savage with irons, but when you hop onto a red dot, there is definitely a learning curb….
"Challenge Accepted", lol. I was as nice as I can be for as long as I could be.
Thanks, yeah I could go a year without talking about Red Dots. lolYou absolutely killed his “argument”. Killed him with kindness too.
Guy made some valid points, but what he doesn't understand is that mileage will vary for everyone on this. Especially the lesser trained individuals. Things will also get sketchier under duress.
I have seen an absolute savage with a handgun (ex Army Ranger), hesitate while running a drill on the range, because on this particular presentation, he failed to acquire the dot. Even if you are high level, it can happen. This delay would not happen with irons. This delay/hesitation could cost you your life…
He makes a point that, “well, you can have back up irons…”. Yeah, its great and all… except if you draw looking for a dot and fail to see it immediately, you will then also hesitate, while you process the fail, and then move on to acquire the irons as the back ups….
There are benefits and cons, as you explained… this moron makes the assumption that it is point blank superior for everyone in every situation! LOL…
what about of the window gets damaged and occluded, in a manner that blocks out back up irons?
Guy is a clown….