It does, thanks. There's so much "hearsay" about this 9 second pass, I just couldn't say what was true. Now if only we could get absolute verification on the nitrous use, we'd be golden. :beer:
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To the last few posters:
Bogart wheels aren't run because they look good, or that they're extremely durable. They're as light as you can buy. When you spend 3x the normal cost for a set of drag wheels on Bogarts, its all about weight reduction. See the skinnies up front? They're not for handling! They're about weight reduction. THE CAR HAS WEIGHT REDUCTION.
The C4 trans a 9" converter in the car? The reduces the weight too. Swapping the trans and wheels/tires like this car will probably knock off at least 100lbs. Still full weight? :kaboom:
137mph through a C4? Bolt-on, weight reduction cars are trapping ~120 with a manual trans. To pick up another 17mph through a C4? You'll need a 250 shot MINIMUM. I'll bet it's 300. ;-)
So this car held a big shot for one hailmary pass. Did it back it up? Do we have any other videos of this car? How do we know it held it. Stock shortblock LSx cars have seen 100s of bottles at 200+. I've seen a few guys go 250, but never 300.
Bogart wheels aren't run because they look good, or that they're extremely durable. They're as light as you can buy. When you spend 3x the normal cost for a set of drag wheels on Bogarts, its all about weight reduction. See the skinnies up front? They're not for handling! They're about weight reduction. THE CAR HAS WEIGHT REDUCTION.
The C4 trans a 9" converter in the car? The reduces the weight too. Swapping the trans and wheels/tires like this car will probably knock off at least 100lbs. Still full weight? :kaboom:
137mph through a C4? Bolt-on, weight reduction cars are trapping ~120 with a manual trans. To pick up another 17mph through a C4? You'll need a 250 shot MINIMUM. I'll bet it's 300. ;-)
So this car held a big shot for one hailmary pass. Did it back it up? Do we have any other videos of this car? How do we know it held it. Stock shortblock LSx cars have seen 100s of bottles at 200+. I've seen a few guys go 250, but never 300.
thanks mr chevy:kaboom:
Please stop posting here.
The C4 automatic ADDS weight.
As for the bogarts, they're drag wheels, of course they're lighter. :smmon:
As for the amount of nitrous, you have NO clue what else is done to that car. Care to notice they completely blocked the sound of the car with music? It could have been intentional to mask the lope. ;-) As I said, nowhere anywhere did anyone say it had a 300shot, stop spreading bullshit. :thumbsup:
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Why cause jokers like you would puke it in my face, I always respected many cars and say what I see good or bad on any brand. Just accept it ford put it up a notch w the 5.0. And you guys are ticked. Well if gm does it right they will up it and I already said as much w weight reductions and weight down like a f body.
I heard all this bs when the 03 came out. I bought mine in jan 03 was built in june 02, a first run car. 1200 mi on it when I bought it, helping a guy out. I don't understand why all this hate man call, write, email gm... Tell them it sucks the new 5.0 is doing very well and I want better. We did that when the new stang was going to be a probe, said no fkn way. Don't whine on a ford site do something..... We here can't do anything about a new camaro being slower most the time.:beer:
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Did ANYONE claim that 9 second pass was at full weight? I didn't see it if they did. We all know certain parts drop weight. Bogarts are a favorite, but may not be the lightest wheels available... they just ARE available. Skinnies aren't so much about weight reduction... They're about weight TRANSFER and friction reduction every bit as much as weight reduction itself, if not more. You could get 6" wheels which are still light, but allow more drag.. friction and loss of transfer...
What the C4 did was possibly huge, but not for weight so much either. The goal there is to use a transmission that works well. I don't even like them, but it ain't my car...
I've seen cars run more than 150mph on a C4, by the way. One even weighed 3350 lb in the process. As if that wasn't enough, it only had a 309ci engine.
A 250 shot is required to gain 17mph with a C4? On WHICH planet? On the one where I live, a 250 shot may increase mph by just a little OR a bunch. The transmission itself has little to do with it, as long as it's properly built and not real heavy. A lighter trans would likely help more, not less. C4's are light in my book. For example, my car gained 8-15mph(depending on launch) on a 100-125 shot... with a C4.. AND with a T-5 AND with an AOD... the same car, with the 408 rather than the 308 ran faster without nitrous than the 308 did WITH nitrous... through the same two automatics AND with a C6... Heavy? You betcha. Nitrous still bumped the speed by more than 20mph over that, even with the C4 and C6... That was a 200 hit. ENGINE MATTERS! My 408 was built for nitrous. My 308 was just "built" for fun.
There are far more factors here than you seem to think. You don't just slap a 250-300 shot on an engine and "know" what the mph will be, let alone with a any given transmission. Every part of that engine can make a difference, good or bad. I'm thinking you've never had a nitrous assisted car, to be honest.
You may have several clues about the LS series engine. A Ford transmission guy, you're NOT! :bash:
2 more things... stock short block LSx cars have held 250 for 100's of passes.. er... bottles, but not LS1 aluminum engines, right? I think you're confused about that as well... I have NO idea what an engine would look like after 100 BOTTLES of nitrous, at a 200 shot, were used... I don't think it would be pretty though, unless we meant "pretty ugly." I PROMISE YOU that NO LS ANYTHING stock short block has seen 100 bottles of nitrous at a 250 shot and survived, or are you talking about a sneaky pete bottle here??? It just isn't happening unless it's like the LS9, but without the blower... FORGED...
And... we know it held because we saw the video.. Don't know about a back up pass(although I heard it went 10.02 or close), but it made one without blowing up, which is proof it held together. That said, I'd also be TOTALLY shocked to find it was a 300 shot... If it was, WAY TO GO, FOMOCO! GM fans only DREAM Chevy would offer such an engine in stock form... As far as I'm concerned, the very same is to be said about Ford fans. 300 on FACTORY internals? I can't bloody tell...:lol1:
Bottom line: It RAN in the 9's...
Numerous people. In this thread. Go back and look for yourself.
I know all that. My point was about the weight benefit. Which far outweighs the rolling resistance benefit.
In a 3500lb car with a C4, you're going to need a healthy shot to trap as high as he did. The faster you go, the more nitrous you need to see the same gains as a slower car. Most 100 trap cars see ~10 on a 100 shot. A 120 trap car will need 150+ to see another 10mph. Wanna go faster yet, you'll need even more just to see the same type of gain.
Unless...
The new 5.0 was not built for nitrous. So, by your own logic, it shouldn't respond extremely well.
You can't know for sure, but when you have a known weight, a known engine, and a N/A performance baseline, you can make a fairly accurate guess.
You're right. A C4 with an unlocked converter is far more efficient than a manual trans. What was I thinking?
Stock shortblock LS1, in a 2001 SS. Guy put on some exhaust, a healthy cam, and ran a 200 shot. 1-2 bottles per weekend for 2 years before it had a problem. He's got a few videos floating around. Humiliating everything from Whipple and KB Cobras, to several bikes, 800HP+ turbo Cobra, turbo and spray Fords, Ford GT (smoked it on melted plugs). Goes by the name TRMIN8R.
It held for one pass. Back in the mid 90s I watched countless morons get greedy a throw 250 shots on their 5.0s "because they have forged pistons, stock". They'd pop the head gaskets before the bottle was empty. They did run crazy once or twice though. :lol1:
so a stock block cam "only" SS with a 200 shot humiliated an 800hp+ turbo cobra? :bored::rollseyes
Go cry on some other site.:loser:
trmin8r vs Hellion Cobra (850 rwhp) - trmin8r has - Car Videos on StreetFire
850rwhp Hellion Cobra. 600rwhp Camaro. Camaro wins. :cryying:
Maybe the Cobra really didn't have 850rhwp, or couldn't drive? Seriously even in your feeble mind you understand that having a 250hp advantage should easily favor the cobra by buslengths. It would be like racing a stock SS vs. an Aveo. But it's the internet so everything is the TRUTH.
oke:Maybe the Cobra really didn't have 850rhwp, or couldn't drive? Seriously even in your feeble mind you understand that having a 250hp advantage should easily favor the cobra by buslengths. It would be like racing a stock SS vs. an Aveo. But it's the internet so everything is the TRUTH.
Or maybe you're just a giant ****ing idiot.
Here's the Cobra:
Installing a Hellion Turbo Kit in a 2004 Mustang SVT Cobra - Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords Magazine
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Like most boosted Fords, it's a dyno queer
C4's have never had a locking converter. just picking.
you mean A LOOSE CONVERTER?YOU ARE WRONG, JUST ADMIT IT!!!!!!!! again just playing.
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You're a troll, find something better to do with your time kid.
Zomg a full weight, KB Cobra CONVERTIBLE with a stock longblock, stock IRS beating a fully built heads/cam/intake/stroker iron block single turbo Camaro.
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DOOOD I should totally go register on ls1tech and spend my days telling them how Ford is > GM. :smmon: :kaboom:
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You're so pathetically lost it's hardly worth the time trying to find you... In your silly world of racing, the LS is all that. While it IS a fine engine...
In my world(which I'm guessing you're only visiting), even the 4.6 DOHC has outperformed the LS... in EVERY form, excepting perhaps the actual LSX race block...
If you believe a 2001 SS with the modifications you claimed has lasted for up to 208 BOTTLES(and at least 100) of nitrous at a 200 shot... There's little hope. If you think it also outran cars with 240+ more power to the wheels.... There's even less hope. It's pretty clear...
For the record, I remember actually racing in the mid 90's(and early and late...) and when I did it... I know better than to think anyone was trying to use 250 with a stock short block expecting it to last even 1 pass. You claim "countless" and that's probably because you made it up. So far, I'm thinking you were watching races on the TV in the 90's and were probably not far removed from diapers at the time... That's just me, a guy who raced his own Mustangs throughout the decade... rather than just watching the greedy ones screw up... :sleeping:
Where in Florida?
We only have one troll left and he's going and going like the energizer rabbit!!!!
Just because a car makes good numbers on a dyno.. doesnt automatically make it faster than a car with less power.
My friend has a "cam only" LS1 Z28 that is running 10.8 and is making 413rwhp. It has a ton of weight reduction and is well setup for the track.
If you were to throw a 200 shot on that, it would be insane (It wouldnt be something I'd expect to last though).
I have another friend that has a TT C5 Z06 that made 1000rwhp. It ran mid 10's because it just couldnt hook and wasnt well set-up to race at that point. It was a 6 speed and was a lot to handle... Especially when he was roasting slicks halfway down the track. He's making a ton of changes and is in the process of converting it to an auto. We always joked around and said his TT Z06 would dominate from a 120 roll... Since he couldnt catch traction through the lower speeds.
As I'm sure you're aware, theres more to making a car fast than simply making a high dyno number. You need to get the power to the ground and have a driver who can control it. :rockon:
Also, I'm willing to bet the cobra in the video will be able to handle that power all day... And the LS1 with spray wont last anywhere near as long as the cobra.
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LOL, nice.
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