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Well, I'm out, someone has to step up. LOL

lol

At the end of the day. I get where both sides are coming from. It's an unfortunate circumstance for all involved. Ford should've been more upfront that the Tech car should NOT be tracked...and buyers shouldn't have expected a Tech car to be able to be tracked when there is a Track Pack car available.

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I've prepared and crewed race cars for multiple disciplines, have spent easily 100 days at the race track and have a degree in Mechanical Engineering. I'm not a ****ing idiot looking for a handout. I'm disappointed the "Cooler kit" ended up being a transmission change and cooler kit and costs what it does.

Wait, you're surprised it cost 3k for the coolers?

To get the coolers on the 16 costs 3k.
To get the coolers on the 17 costs 3k. Why in the hell would coolers cost less aftermarket than they do as an oem option?
 

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Wait, you're surprised it cost 3k for the coolers?

To get the coolers on the 16 costs 3k.
To get the coolers on the 17 costs 3k. Why in the hell would coolers cost less aftermarket than they do as an oem option?

Cause OEM options are marked up hella high?
 

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Cause OEM options are marked up hella high?
Nah. A lot of the times its cheaper to order it on the vehicle, no labor.

We sold a Flex with 2nd row buckets last summer. Lady wanted to add the console (a $110 option from the factory), the console itself was over $700 and that was before labor.

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I'm going to start a new lawsuit. My tech car "show car" didn't come with hood struts instead Ford was cheap and put a prop rod. It blocks the view of the engine. I want my $119 back that it cost me to buy and install.
 

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I'm going to start a new lawsuit. My tech car "show car" didn't come with hood struts instead Ford was cheap and put a prop rod. It blocks the view of the engine. I want my $119 back that it cost me to buy and install.

Prop rod is for weight savings.
 

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Wait, you're surprised it cost 3k for the coolers?

To get the coolers on the 16 costs 3k.
To get the coolers on the 17 costs 3k. Why in the hell would coolers cost less aftermarket than they do as an oem option?

A 2016 with Track Pack added $6500
A 2016 with Tech added $7500

There's no "option" to add coolers to a 2017...no idea where your number comes from. But to answer that question, I've bought heat exchangers and lines for other race car projects or to add for towing; they're not expensive even at 1 per volumes.
 
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A 2016 with Track Pack added $6500
A 2016 with Tech added $7500

There's no "option" to add coolers to a 2017...no idea where your number comes from. But to answer that question, I've bought heat exchangers and lines for other race car projects or to add for towing; they're not expensive even at 1 per volumes.

If you bought a base 2016, or a base 2017, the price increase $3k...thus $3k for the coolers.


The 2016's were between $57-59k...the 2017's are $60-62k.
 

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I guess Ford didn't notice almost all their GT350s were selling @ ADM and didn't want to raise the price to grab some of that value for themselves, it was just for coolers, right? ;)
 

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My Tech car runs 80 to 100 degrees hotter on the street than a Track or R car. Tell me that won't be a problem long term. 250 degrees normally on the street is too much when cooler equipped cars are at only 160. Stop and go traffic seems to really heat things up especially with a passenger. I don't want something for nothing. I bought a new transmission and coolers but unfortunately I don't get any sort of warranty for them.

Sorry to hear about your vehicle's transmission running hot and the warranty issue with your newly purchased parts. Are the parts you bought not the OEM specific parts for the Track Pack/R model? I'm curious why Ford wont warranty building your your base/tech pack car to the track/R specs. I could understand their claim if you utilized aftermarket/non-OEM parts. I would think as long as a Ford certified tech/dealer installed the OEM track pack specific parts, they would warranty it. I'm just curious for what Ford's reasoning is to void your warranty.


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The parts wouldn't be covered under his new vehicle warranty because, obviously, they weren't installed on the car from the factory. However, I bet he has a separate Ford Performance warranty on the tranny and coolers IF they're installed by an authorized dealer.
 

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I guess Ford didn't notice almost all their GT350s were selling @ ADM and didn't want to raise the price to grab some of that value for themselves, it was just for coolers, right? ;)

If Ford was going to do that, they would've raised the price on all of the GT500s... The new FGT would be a million dollar car, not a half million dollar car, etc.

No, flawed theory. Nice try though lol

The parts wouldn't be covered under his new vehicle warranty because, obviously, they weren't installed on the car from the factory. However, I bet he has a separate Ford Performance warranty on the tranny and coolers IF they're installed by an authorized dealer.

I don't think that's the case.
 
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What people are not considering is that the GT350, in every trim, is faster than than a regular GT around a track. Done, no questions asked. It served its purpose, lap time vs lap time the GT350 out performs.

If you want it to KEEP performing, you need the coolers. That is common. ****ing. sense. Your car, as it comes, does have the capability of out performing a GT, which the laptimes have shown. In no way, shape, or form has the GT350 not lived up to that promise. However, If you want to do a track day, you need the coolers.

The only people complaining have obviously never done a track day... i have been tracking for years, and 4-5 20-30 minute sessions is a LOT on a vehicle that you expect to drive home at the end of the day / weekend. There are probably less than 5 cars on the market under 100k that can go out in the hands of a skilled driver and put down 20 minutes of hot laps and not experience some sort of heat related failure, be it brakes, tires, or limp mode due to temps. People are just looking for a band wagon to hop on and have something to complain about. You bought the wrong car, get over it.
 

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lol

At the end of the day. I get where both sides are coming from. It's an unfortunate circumstance for all involved. Ford should've been more upfront that the Tech car should NOT be tracked...and buyers shouldn't have expected a Tech car to be able to be tracked when there is a Track Pack car available.

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Couldn't agree more.

Have you ever heard of GT owners filing a class action lawsuit, because a GTPP wasn't heat soaked after 2laps at Mid Ohio Raceway (sorry no cool track here like the rest of you are used too)

Yea Me either!

OEM track pack in 13-14 was I believe $2495 right, the retail on just the Brembo brakes not anything else that came with TP was 2k at Jegs in 2013 obviously no labor and no coolers.
No Hella markup there...

I see both sides just pay the 3k get the Coolers end the BS.


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Based on what I read, a cooler kit (and a spring change) seemed easier than the Tech systems integration; nobody could tell me if the wiring was in place in a Track to put in the Tech center stack. Plus I wanted the Tech seats, not the Recaros.

I've prepared and crewed race cars for multiple disciplines, have spent easily 100 days at the race track and have a degree in Mechanical Engineering. I'm not a ****ing idiot looking for a handout. I'm disappointed the "Cooler kit" ended up being a transmission change and cooler kit and costs what it does.

I felt the opposite. The electrical/mechanical integration seemed like it would be a huge PIA so I went Track Pack and then upgraded to the factory 8" screen/NAV, etc. I see you wanted the luxobarge seats over the Recaros anyway so moot point I suppose. Interesting nonetheless how we rationalize in such different ways from each other.

It's splitting hairs. The Tech still comes with all the track tips materials. Any GT350 is still far far more track oriented than say a Mustang with PP...but, and last time I'll bore everyone with it...the proof is in the pudding. They messed up compared to customer expectations (which were largely influenced by Ford marketing) with the 2016 Tech and quit making them in favor of making all 2017 GT350 cars Tracks.

Let's be honest. People are dumb. Ford is even dumber in this case for not making it clearer and nipping this one in the bud. You can't simply package away heat issues and assume that as a result you have mitigated a potential issue. Those responsible for the decision to offer any GT350 with transmission/axle coolers made a huge error. They weighed the potential ramifications and forged ahead anyway.
 

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