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I have a 07 with the 13-14 TVS. Makes 660 at the rear wheels. If it isn't warm outside and/or tires warm it is tough to hook up! I have the super snake wheels with 20'' Michelin Super Sports. But it is unbelievable how fast the car is. :)
 

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I have a 07 with the 13-14 TVS. Makes 660 at the rear wheels. If it isn't warm outside and/or tires warm it is tough to hook up! I have the super snake wheels with 20'' Michelin Super Sports. But it is unbelievable how fast the car is. :)

I'm with you man... and I'm not at 660 to the rear... at a certain point more power is just harder to put down on the pavement.

Although some would have you believe you can dead hook on the street with 1000hp :cool:
 

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I have a 07 with the 13-14 TVS. Makes 660 at the rear wheels. If it isn't warm outside and/or tires warm it is tough to hook up! I have the super snake wheels with 20'' Michelin Super Sports. But it is unbelievable how fast the car is. :)
It ain't fast if its spinnin. 20" wheels are a joke. Get yourself some 17s out back and you'll be surprised by how fast it feels then.
 

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It all depends on what you want to do with the car. This is a bit of a religious debate. I went the KB route because when I would actually use the power is on the road course not the strip so the right shift of the torque curve on that blower is attractive to me, and it's spinning slower with supposedly less drag (I have never seen proof of this point). If you want the torque curve as far to the left as you can get it then the tvs makes a ton of sense. I had pretty much the same mods as you and made 556 at the wheels. I now have 720 and it's more drivable, but I also have a 2011 SVTPP which has the 3.73, so the right shift of torque isn't as big a deal as with your 3.23 gearing.


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That's interesting... so with the KB your power delivery is more gradual?
 

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It all depends on what you want to do with the car. This is a bit of a religious debate. I went the KB route because when I would actually use the power is on the road course not the strip so the right shift of the torque curve on that blower is attractive to me, and it's spinning slower with supposedly less drag (I have never seen proof of this point). If you want the torque curve as far to the left as you can get it then the tvs makes a ton of sense. I had pretty much the same mods as you and made 556 at the wheels. I now have 720 and it's more drivable, but I also have a 2011 SVTPP which has the 3.73, so the right shift of torque isn't as big a deal as with your 3.23 gearing.


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I might be wrong but I think the bigger wheels on the svtpp cancel the gearing advantage out. So the cars without the big wheels have pretty much the same ratio over all.
 

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I might be wrong but I think the bigger wheels on the svtpp cancel the gearing advantage out. So the cars without the big wheels have pretty much the same ratio over all.

Gear ratio with tires comes out around 3.69 IIRC.

If I recall correctly, 2011-12 have the highest ratio of 07-14. 13 lowered rear ratio even for the PP cars and changed the trans gearing slightly. Non PP 11-12 were 3.55 with the 19" wheels.
 

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4.10s are going in my 2011 SVT PP Shelby in a few weeks. With a TVS? Lol, shits going to be rowdy!
 

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I might be wrong but I think the bigger wheels on the svtpp cancel the gearing advantage out. So the cars without the big wheels have pretty much the same ratio over all.

You are correct. The PP package cars with the 20" rear wheels and 3.73 are almost EXACTLY the same overall gearing as the 19" with 3.55
 

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You came to the wrong place if you're looking for someone to talk you out of a decision that equals mo powa! LOL

That being said, going TVS was the best decision I ever made for my car. I run a 2.4 upper pulley, stock lower, BPS plenum, 123mm intake, 65mm TB, Kooks long tubes, 3" open H into 3" cat back, 13/14 injectors and a KB BAP. My car made 720RWHP with this set up (741 with a 72mm TB) and while 1st gear doesn't afford much traction, I'm able to get the power down mid way through 2nd gear fairly well with Nitto NT05r's on my 20" True Forged's. Even when it's spinnin, I'm grinnin...

Edited to add: My car is a 10' and still has the 3.55's it came with. I'll be keeping them.
 

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Most will not like this thought, lol.

Ford Racing had a 605hp rated TVS blower for these cars years ago. I don't think that would be a bad option for me I read a lot of people with a tune etc getting 650rwhp out of those.

Plus I will admit having FRPP everything so far I like the idea of keeping things ford racing, is it the "best" as far as hp? Of course not but as I said before I really don't want to get into modifying the car in a way I can't put it back such as drilling into my trunk putting dual pumps, hacking into the factory exhaust because too much hp will literally "burn" the cats etc.

So, maybe the VMP GEN 1, 2 and 2R is a bit much but if I am thinking at most 650rwhp is plenty for my needs this ford racing blower may do the trick and cut done on "other" mods that have to follow up with big HP blowers like the Gen ll-R.

At this point it's just a thought and should be quiet a bit cheaper if I can find one used.

This should be more in range with SAFE hp rating the car can handle also I don't need a rod through the block any easier than it can be done...

Good idea, bad idea?

I have the FRPP blower and cracked 700rwhp with it last fall. The blower isn't done yet either. My current limit is fuel supply but I am content with my power and torque right now. Also when people tell you that you can't hook all the power up anyway they haven't got the right tire and suspension combo on the car. If you have a good sticky tire and the right suspension you can plant the power. Sure there is probably a limit on the street at some power level but I can plant my power very well!
 

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When you say "fuel supply" do you mean the fuel that's available to you or your fuel system itself? I would think that with the system listed in your sig, you'd be pretty good with fuel delivery. You have a far better fuel set up than I do, and I'm still living comfortably at 720. You're making me think maybe I'm closer to the edge than I've been thinking... LOL
 

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When you say "fuel supply" do you mean the fuel that's available to you or your fuel system itself? I would think that with the system listed in your sig, you'd be pretty good with fuel delivery. You have a far better fuel set up than I do, and I'm still living comfortably at 720. You're making me think maybe I'm closer to the edge than I've been thinking... LOL

With my pumps and injectors on E85 I am about as close to maxed out as I dare push with a small safety margin. My next step if I decide to add any more power will be to go to a return fuel system.
 

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You came to the wrong place if you're looking for someone to talk you out of a decision that equals mo powa! LOL

That being said, going TVS was the best decision I ever made for my car. I run a 2.4 upper pulley, stock lower, BPS plenum, 123mm intake, 65mm TB, Kooks long tubes, 3" open H into 3" cat back, 13/14 injectors and a KB BAP. My car made 720RWHP with this set up (741 with a 72mm TB) and while 1st gear doesn't afford much traction, I'm able to get the power down mid way through 2nd gear fairly well with Nitto NT05r's on my 20" True Forged's. Even when it's spinnin, I'm grinnin...

Edited to add: My car is a 10' and still has the 3.55's it came with. I'll be keeping them.


Seems like a lot of power for that fuel system. Congrats!

what octane fuel?

Which TVS? VMP or a trinity?
 

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It is a lot of power for that fuel system... LOL Everything checks out with a little bit of room left (shockingly), but I won't be adding any power without adding injectors first.

It's a trinity blower with a BPS plenum.
I've only ever run 93 in my car, we can't get E85 around here without traveling too far to make it worth it. The dyno might be a little loose, but the car's trap speeds pretty much back it up; it consistently runs 131-132 with a best of 133 at dam near 4000 lbs with me in it.
 

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